Genesis 2

[Thief]

Why do you turn every thread into a exercise of willful ignorance, fantasy and unsubstantiated faith based opinions the mythology does not even support ?


Is it because you always have NO credible evidence to bring to the table?

Is it because you cannot refute a single letter I post? let alone a word or sentence.


Its one thing to pervert science to meet theistic needs wishes and wants, but to pervert the mythology beyond what is written, just ruins these epic pieces you butcher with a dull hatchet.

Judge, jury and executioner of said debate?

I think not.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Outhouse, 2Tim.4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. "

That statement which you repeatedly re-post will not change the fact that they admit a lack of "details" which are necessary for the "theories" they have based their assumptions/"Theories" upon.

Unless you can supply and validate their/your ---missing "details"----you and they are having "FAITH" in the opinions of mankind.
GOD said it and it stood fast as uttered by GOD.

O I love mythology


I just like scientific facts much better

Hi outhouse, without those "details" which are acknowledged by the IAP and you will not supply what you like is "Sci-fi".

 

[outhouse]

DUDE

learn how to use the quote function

 

[outhouse]

Try this.


Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory


Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

 

[sincerly]

Try this.
Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

Hi outhouse, Your posting of this site and what it revealed is what the blinded scientific world "believes" and has agreed upon in the realm of the unknown.

Yes, all we see about us is real and true. Now the theories begin as to how all these things came to be; and the surmisings of mankind into a "possibility of mechanisms."

You did notice in the portion dealing with the "relationship of major phyla", """However, it is not yet appropriate to call this a "fact" since there are reasonable alternatives".
Those "alternatives" are the opinions/theories of mankind. Because, they can not and do not choose to accept the TRUTH of THE CREATOR GOD who made it all and in "detail". Not by looking at the present form of all things and working toward a "common ancestor", but making all things with a purpose.-----from garbage disposal means to "in our image".

 

[outhouse]

You don't have to like the facts at hand.


But evolution still stands solid as common knowledge, and creation is still outlawed in a science class many places.

 

[sincerly]

You don't have to like the facts at hand.

But evolution still stands solid as common knowledge, and creation is still outlawed in a science class many places.

Yes, Outhouse, the right to choose to believe or Not to Believe what is taught is still the law of the land. However, those Scriptures which you are denouncing declares that all will stand before the Creator Judge. Do you think your case(opinions) will be sufficient?
You laugh at the Creator GOD now ,but read and remember Psalms 2.(for that time).

 

[outhouse]

, those Scriptures which you are denouncing

You sure like judging others you think your god ???



I do not denounce scripture, I study it in depth. Something that if you did, we might not be having this debate.


I only have a problem with your proselytizing what I view as a serious misinterpretation.

 

[outhouse]

You must view every single credible college in the whole world as evil

It is embarrassing.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Yes, Outhouse, the right to choose to believe or Not to Believe what is taught is still the law of the land. However, those Scriptures which you are denouncing declares that all will stand before the Creator Judge. Do you think your case(opinions) will be sufficient?
You laugh at the Creator GOD now ,but read and remember Psalms 2.(for that time).

You sure like judging others you think your god ???

I'm not judging, just pointing out what the Scriptures which Genesis 2 is are part of--- declares.
NO! I'm NOT GOD/god.

I do not denounce scripture, I study it in depth. Something that if you did, we might not be having this debate.

I only have a problem with your proselytizing what I view as a serious misinterpretation.

Didn't you pronounce it "mythology"? That is denouncing it. If you really did study it "in depth"---with a discerning motive, you would SEE the Creator GOD portrayed by the Prophets who gave HIS messages---we would not be having this debate.

"Come let us reason together"---Proselytizing----isn't as I wrote a right to choose. It is more along the lines of re-posting the same "article" over and over and over, when it declares a lack of very important "Details".


Your

You must view every single credible college in the whole world as evil

It is embarrassing.

Yes, it should embarrass you to project your feelings/opinions to me.
It is wisdom that the States have the Accrediting powers rather than you.

 

[outhouse]

Regardless.

You have no refuted the facts regarding

Evolution.


The age of the earth


Lif on earth.


You have brought ZERO evidence in support of what I will call, your mythology.

There is a reason you lack evidence.

 

[outhouse]

Try this.


Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory


Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

 

[Ken Brown]

Try this.


Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory


Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

Shalom Outhouse, why can't you accept the fact that when Elohim RENEWED the face of the earth some 6000 years ago, with the start of THIS AGE, it was a renewing of an earth that was billions of years old? Why can't you accept scientific facts ALONG with Scriptural beliefs. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[sincerly]

Regardless.
You have no refuted the facts regarding Evolution.
The age of the earth
Lif on earth.

You have brought ZERO evidence in support of what I will call, your mythology.

There is a reason you lack evidence.

True! Your posts are without regards to the truth of the Scriptures.

The mechanism for evolution is found in the admission of your new site----"a fact is something so highly probable that it would be silly not to accept it". But it can not be proved.

But since the admitted "details" for supporting those theories of a common ancestor is lacking. then "accepting it " is a much greater "leap of faith" than acknowledging THE CREATOR GOD as the Scriptures attest.

Yes, Life does exist, but you haven't shown the source for that spark of "life". Until you and those scientist solve that question, all the other theories which show "high probability" remain Theories.

My evidence is in the Scriptures which you have "read in depth" and denounce as Mythology. "GOD spoke and it stood fast". AND all things I see is the work of HIS Creation.

Until, the source of the material from which all things consist is explained by Proven means, you are believing unsupported suppositions/Theories/opinions----dare I say "myths"/"fables".

 

[sincerly]

Shalom Outhouse, why can't you accept the fact that when Elohim RENEWED the face of the earth some 6000 years ago, with the start of THIS AGE, it was a renewing of an earth that was billions of years old? Why can't you accept scientific facts ALONG with Scriptural beliefs. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Hi Ken, Why are you wanting to compromise that which is declared in the Scriptures?

 

[outhouse]

Any chance you could try and present any evidence at all in favor of creation?


Miserably failing to tear down creation does not help prove a literal translation has ever taken place.

YOU have failed to provide any evidence of any kind..

 

[Thief]

You sure like judging others you think your god ???



I do not denounce scripture, I study it in depth. Something that if you did, we might not be having this debate.


I only have a problem with your proselytizing what I view as a serious misinterpretation.

And if you truly understood what you just said.....
you wouldn't bother to be here.

It seems you have a problem.

 

[Ken Brown]

Hi Ken, Why are you wanting to compromise that which is declared in the Scriptures?

Shalom sincerly, there is no compromise to that which is declared in the Scriptures. The same thing that happened to Galileo when he challenged what the churh declared to be written in the Scriptures (that the earth was the center of the universe/solar system). He refuted Aristotle's doctrine and the doctrine of the church when he supported the Copernican theory, and was tried and branded a heretic and confined to house arrest until his death.

The Scriptures declare that in the "beginning" Elohim created the Heavens and the Earth, and the Scriptures also declare that there was a great war and rebellion, and in that war and rebellion, the earth BECAME void and without form. The Scriptures also declare that Elohim creates NOTHING void and without form, and the Scriptures also declare that WHEN Elohim SENDS forth His Spirit, the FACE of the Earth is RENEWED. There was a vast amount of time that elapsed from WHEN Elohim CREATED the Heavens and the Earth, to WHEN He RENEWED it's FACE, and in-between, the Earth BECAME void and without form.

Lastly, the Scriptures declare that the "sin against the Spirit" will not be forgiven in this AGE or in any AGES to come. Does this not also declare that we have had PAST ages, as science and historical facts so clearly declare?

Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[sincerly]

Shalom sincerly, there is no compromise to that which is declared in the Scriptures. The same thing that happened to Galileo when he challenged what the churh declared to be written in the Scriptures (that the earth was the center of the universe/solar system). He refuted Aristotle's doctrine and the doctrine of the church when he supported the Copernican theory, and was tried and branded a heretic and confined to house arrest until his death.

The Scriptures declare that in the "beginning" Elohim created the Heavens and the Earth, and the Scriptures also declare that there was a great war and rebellion, and in that war and rebellion, the earth BECAME void and without form. The Scriptures also declare that Elohim creates NOTHING void and without form, and the Scriptures also declare that WHEN Elohim SENDS forth His Spirit, the FACE of the Earth is RENEWED. There was a vast amount of time that elapsed from WHEN Elohim CREATED the Heavens and the Earth, to WHEN He RENEWED it's FACE, and in-between, the Earth BECAME void and without form.

Lastly, the Scriptures declare that the "sin against the Spirit" will not be forgiven in this AGE or in any AGES to come. Does this not also declare that we have had PAST ages, as science and historical facts so clearly declare?

Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Hi Ken, the Compromise is in all those ages you see and that which the Sabbath itself is based upon. The Seven days of creation week and all things created in that time frame. A time frame for Time itself in the human realm----one day equals from one sunset to the next.
The past ages would be as far as the Creation of the earth goes to its "beginning."

The Days of active creation were in the establishing of the various details concerning those days. Yes, initially the earth was "bohuw" and "tohuw"---emptiness and without form. Then day by Day all things one sees was spoken into existence.
Just as the "fathers" had made "Traditions and commandments" which were not truth at the time of Jesus---There were many things which the "early church fathers" presented and enforced which were not Scriptural.
Please give the scriptural reference to that renewing it face statement.

There was no vast amount of time from GOD'S speaking the earth into being and the completion of the creative work Six "evenings and mornings later. The Seventh day was "bless and sanctified" for holy convocation. All were to cease from their six days of labor.

 

[outhouse]

YOU have no evidence for a young earth, none at all.

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, theist included, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

You don't have to like the truth, or be part of the majority.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.