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Genesis 2

outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
sincerly said:
It reduces GOD to a "symbolic narrative"; Therefore; MYTH
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Isn't that obvious? since Yahweh was used by the Canaanites previous to Israelites even existing.


Does this mean one has to be a YEC to be a real Christian?


How do you justify the wall of jerico? it was uninhabited when the bible states the walls fell down.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
sincerly said:
Right, the "rules" placed by the ???? are why there is still areas of dispute concerning some topics and Religion is one of those where non-believers have clout.
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False, your wrong.

Its not about dispute or clout.

Its about common knowledge and closed minds.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
sincerly said:
Hi FM, Mankind and the land animals were created on the Sixth day. Chapter 1 was finished as all things were completed----even "to male and female created them"(vs27)
In Chapter 2, one finds the details of that week's creation listed following the establishing of the Seventh day of Creation as the Sabbath---Blessed and sanctified.

In those "generations" of the heavens and the earth when they were created/made."
It was the same Male/Adam that named the Animals on that sixth day that all were created. It was Adam/male from who Eve was surgically removed on the Sixth day and marriage/one flesh was established.
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Sigh, you still don't realize that your agreement with Thief was due to you misunderstanding what was said.

In chapter 2, one does not find the details, as the details do not match up with the order in chapter 1 to begin with. As well as the story telling structure of chapter 2 compared to 1. Literature wise it doesn't add up. But I could tell you the Sun was a star and you wouldn't believe me.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Pegg said:
El is the hebrew word meaning God

Yahweh is the personal name of El.
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False.

It is not up for debate, it is fact.

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israelite monotheism evolved gradually out of pre-existing beliefs and practices of the ancient world.[76] The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[77] and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[78] Its major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period.[79] By the time of the early Hebrew kings, El and Yahweh had become fused and Asherah did not continue as a separate state cult
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
captainbryce said:
My point is, you're proceeding from a false assumption. That's not necessarily what "days" refer to in this context. Your original comment was this: "I think you are confusing the days as in of indefinite period (hence age, era or epoch) in English, and I might be wrong, but the Hebrew word יוֹם doesn't mean "age" at all; I don't think as many meaning as they do in English." Your argument is faulty due to the fact that in Hebrew, the word has more than the one meaning you have assigned to it.
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You making baseless assumption as to what type of DAY is being used in those verses. To make it mean AGE or ERA or EPOCH is something else, in which you can't prove, except taking the verse out of context.

captainbryce said:
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Guess what, the first verse, of the first book of the bible establishes that EVERYTHING in the universe was created "IN THE BEGINNING". The phrase "the heavens and the earth" would have been understood to mean the entire universe, that is all matter, energy, space and time were created in the beginning. That means, the sun, the moon, the stars, and everything else that occupies the heavens. The sun (which is in the heavens) existed before the first day, and light existed before the first day. We know that this light comes from the sun, because God was able to seperate it into day and night (establishing the rotation of the earth). It is only AFTER everything is created (in the beginning) does the Earth experience its first rotation.
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You're taking the verse completely out-of-context. Nothing indicate God creating the heavens and earth, as if it was creating the UNIVERSE. You are trying to mix modern astronomy with theology.

Heaven either means God's abode, or the sky. To say that it is the universe is nothing more than twisting the verse to suit your belief: nothing more, nothing less.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
outhouse said:
False, your wrong.

Its not about dispute or clout.

Its about common knowledge and closed minds.
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This thread is more to common language and closed minds....
a war of words with no substance.

Oh!...there's that word 'substance' ...again.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
gnostic said:
You making baseless assumption as to what type of DAY is being used in those verses. To make it mean AGE or ERA or EPOCH is something else, in which you can't prove, except taking the verse out of context.



You're taking the verse completely out-of-context. Nothing indicate God creating the heavens and earth, as if it was creating the UNIVERSE. You are trying to mix modern astronomy with theology.

Heaven either means God's abode, or the sky. To say that it is the universe is nothing more than twisting the verse to suit your belief: nothing more, nothing less.
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Agreed.


Not only that there are verses in the bible that state a 24 hour day is just that.

But somehow it gets perverted.

What is worse is it flat states day and night, yet they choose to pervert that as well.



All to back a unsubstantiated literal interpretation, while ignoring real history, knowledge and education, in favor of known mythology.

It just ruins the beauty of these epic pieces.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Thief said:
This thread is more to common language and closed minds....
a war of words with no substance.

Oh!...there's that word 'substance' ...again.
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What kind of knowledge and education will you personally dismiss today? :slap:
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
outhouse said:
Agreed.


Not only that there are verses in the bible that state a 24 hour day is just that.

But somehow it gets perverted.

What is worse is it flat states day and night, yet they choose to pervert that as well.



All to back a unsubstantiated literal interpretation, while ignoring real history, knowledge and education, in favor of known mythology.

It just ruins the beauty of these epic pieces.
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Your using the word 'pervert' in place of 'interpret'.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Thief said:
Your using the word 'pervert' in place of 'interpret'.
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No

Your now guilty as they are.

Your telling the author how to interpret his own words :facepalm: and the author is telling you your wrong.


You are your own example.

The multiple authors of Genesis, hundreds of years a part. later compiled into one piece would probably laugh if they heard of a literal use of their text. Its not how the Jewish religion even states how it should be read.

Or they would not have left the contradictions in place.
 
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