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Genesis 2

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Shalom outhouse, Yeshua BELIEVED Moses existed, and that he (Moses) even WROTE about His (Yeshua's) future death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection that He would fulfill:

Outhouse, why do you continue to foolishly deny what the historical Moses wrote in Numbers 19 concerning the suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection of Yeshua? Will your mind ever be "opened" to understand what is WRITTEN by Moses? :facepalm: Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
What is the reference in Numbers 19 that you're talking about?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Shalom outhouse, maybe you need to bring in one of your "experts" to respond for you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Moses never wrote a word.

At best he is a literary creation by all credible historians.


Moses never wrote a word about jesus.

The unknown christian authors used what would be the OT scripture, as their source.


No need for experts when it comes to apologetics and hos it does not stand up to history or science or scholarships
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Doctors are your savior. All through the education system you hate :facepalm:


They will save your life with the science you hate.

Doctors are not saviors.

Breathing is inherently fatal.

You will die.

And your lack of faith cannot support your soul.
It is likely your soul will also perish.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
CG D, Jesus Christ is English and that is what we both speak and read.
Again, "A rose by any other name is still a rose".
GOD confounded the languages---to HIM whatever Name the people who speak the languages of the world Call HIM---HE is Pleased to Listen and respond.
Here's a link to an article on:[FONT=&quot] How "Yeshua" Became "Jesus"[/FONT]
The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered…

The second sound in Yeshua's name is called tse-RE, and is pronounced almost like the letter "e" in the word "net". Just as the "Y" sound of the first letter is mispronounced in today's English, so too the first vowel sound in "Jesus". Before the Hebrew name "Yeshua" was transliterated into English, it was first transliterated into Greek… Unfortunately, later English speakers guessed wrongly that this "e" should be pronounced as in "me," and thus the first syllable of the English version of Yeshua came to be pronounced "Jee" instead of "Yeh". It is this pronunciation which produced such euphemistic profanities as "Gee" and "Geez".

The first sound of the second syllable of Yeshua is the "sh" sound. It is represented by the Hebrew letter shin. However Greek, like many other languages, has no "sh" sound. Instead, the closest approximation, the Greek sigma, was used when transcribing "Yeshua" as "Iesus". Translators of English versions of the New Testament transliterated the Greek transcription of a Hebrew name, instead of returning to the original Hebrew. This was doubly unfortunate, first because the "sh" sound exists in English, and second because in English the "s" sound can shift to the "z" sound, which is what happened in the case of the pronunciation of "Jesus".

The fourth sound one hears in the name Yeshua is the "u" sound, as in the word "true". Like the first three sounds, this also has come to be mispronounced but in this case it is not the fault of the translators. They transcribed this sound accurately, but English is not a phonetic language and "u" can be pronounced in more than one way. At some point the "u" in "Jesus" came to be pronounced as in "cut," and so we say "Jee-zuhs."

The "a" sound, as in the word "father," is the fifth sound in Jesus' name. It is followed by a guttural produced by contracting the lower throat muscles and retracting the tongue root- an unfamiliar task for English speakers. In an exception to the rule, the vowel sound "a" associated with the last letter "ayin" (the guttural) is pronounced before it, not after. While there is no equivalent in English or any other Indo-European language, it is somewhat similar to the last sound in the name of the composer, "Bach." ...There was no letter to represent them, and so these fifth and sixth sounds were dropped from the Greek transcription of "Yeshua," -the transcription from which the English "Jesus" is derived.

So where did the final "s" of "Jesus" come from? Masculine names in Greek ordinarily end with a consonant, usually with an "s" sound, and less frequently with an "n" or "r" sound. In the case of "Iesus," the Greeks added a sigma, the "s" sound, to close the word…
Not only that but other articles said that Jesus, Joshua and even the name Isaiah are the same. If that's true, then what again is so special about the name "Jesus"? If they would have told you he was named "George" you'd still say, "Isn't there just something about that name." You really don't seem to know all that much. But I understand why. It's because you don't want to know it. You think it's useless and unimportant. But, the things you do know, you believe whole-heartedly. That's great. However, just like how we arrived at the name "Jesus", everything you believe in... has some very legitimate questions as to how true they really are.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Im glad you admit just how ignorant you are to the facts surrounding evolution.

I will admit I don't know everything but I believe I have seen how the scientists write things up and it amounts to what I said about it. Are you refuting the fact that scientists fantasize about bones?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I will admit I don't know everything but I believe I have seen how the scientists write things up and it amounts to what I said about it.

Yes you possess willful ignorance.

Who cares about what you say?


You have less then no credibility here.



Are you refuting the fact that scientists fantasize about bones?

Stop with the bias and hatred of the education and knowledge.

Start using credible sources, OH WAIT! you know you don't have any. :facepalm:
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Jesus factually gave you nothing in this regard.

Thank your mother and father though.

I believe my mother and father gave me a body but it was God that caused me to enter into it as the resident spirit. I believe Zombies have life but no spirit so the kind of life that is suggested by materialism isn't worth living.

Ignorance is no excuse.

I believe an accusation of ignorance is a smokescreen to avoid debating rationally.

Your statements amount to saying all education and knowledge is bad.

I believe your statement show that you have no understanding of what I am saying.

Your view is outlawed so we don't poison children's minds ins science classes.

I believe that issimilar to the Inquisition imprisoning people so their minds aren't tainted by science. It smacks of the same kind of superstious bias.

Evolution is taught as fact in ever credible school in every major country around the whole world, and backed by all scientific departments as fact.

I believe in that case that they are teaching lies.
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
Yes you possess willful ignorance.

Who cares about what you say?


You have less then no credibility here.





Stop with the bias and hatred of the education and knowledge.

Start using credible sources, OH WAIT! you know you don't have any. :facepalm:

I believe your credibility laks evidence which is certainly less substantial than mine.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I believe your credibility laks evidence which is certainly less substantial than mine.

Lets see here. Your willful ignorance of the evidence means nothing to the world.


I have the whole world behind me, every credible university around the whole world teaches what I posit as higher education and learning.

What you posit is outlawed from children's minds in science class so we don't ruin their minds.


This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, theist included, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

You don't have to like the truth, or be part of the majority.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
I have a healthy respect for education and science---rightly understood.

I mentioned the thing about no rain, but a mist, in Genesis 2. What is your Bible-based scientific view of rain or no rain before the flood? I read this in Answers in Genesis:

It makes it sound like Christians change their unchanging Biblical view sometimes. That can't right, because then Christians might someday have to admit things like the Earth going around the Sun, or, God forbid, something like evolution being true.

Oh, and one other question... Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs, already that doesn't sound very likely, but...after she gets cursed God tells her she will have pain giving birth. So, does that mean that the gap in her pelvis was bigger before the curse? Then God changed her anatomy to make it painful?

CG D, The persons answering the AIG questions are very similar to the persons who have expounded those Theories of evolution. The difference is in the Source. The AIG use the Scriptures as their reference and the Evolutionist take what is seen physically and try to reach a source in the past. They both propose "conclusions"/opinions.

The Scriptures has this to say; Deut.29:10-29, "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law".

The Scriptures state that there was no rain before the flood.
The Scriptures only reveal that Eve gave birth "after sinning" and the curse was placed. What type of "labor/birthing" she /women may have had is immaterial at this point.

In the eyes of GOD, all persons are the same. see Deut.10:17; Gal.3:28-29; Therefore, one may speculate(since it isn't told) that the selection of the body from which Eve was Created was commensurate with the "making of a help-mate". Not the "cranium"---to lord over the woman; Neither the calcaneus--- to be walked upon. Therefore, a rib was selected to show equality in the relationship to each other.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
None that are credible, and every one is a religious school :facepalm:

Outhouse, there are Accrediting organizations for standards and ALL Schools have to be "accredited". That "accrediting" isn't based upon the teaching of "evolution". Get real. Your falseness is showing.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Lets see here. Your willful ignorance of the evidence means nothing to the world.


I have the whole world behind me, every credible university around the whole world teaches what I posit as higher education and learning.

What you posit is outlawed from children's minds in science class so we don't ruin their minds.


This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, theist included, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

You don't have to like the truth, or be part of the majority.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Get real.


All credible schools teach evolution as FACT around the whole world.


One cannot pass a biology class any where in the world! without understanding the facts of evolution, or one is a liar.


Only laughed at religious schools teach pseudoscience. And no one will hire these people when REAL education is required.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The AIG use the Scriptures

Its why they are hacks, who only promote religion through pseudoscience.

They have less then zero credibility, they have bad credibility.

They have no real say so

They both propose "conclusions"/opinions.

Science is based on observed facts, and the whole worlds educated peoples and science departments agree's with its findings. As posted above.

aig promotes imagination and religion, and nothing testable.

Its why their view is outlawed in science classes.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Science is based on observed facts...,
aig promotes imagination and religion, and nothing testable.

When they(IAP) produced the "observed facts"----"Elements" from nothing as they claim happened and "Life" from the "elements" which they produced, then I will believe them and you.
Until then, your multiple post and conclusions are the false pseudoscience you are peddling.
They admit to a lack of "Details"---which is understandable---their "Theories" have not been "Observed", Therefore, cannot be considered "facts" by their own definition. Get Real! IT is only "Faith" in their own "unproven Theories".
 

outhouse

Atheistically
When they(IAP) produced the "observed facts"----"Elements" from nothing as they claim happened and "Life" from the "elements" which they produced, then I will believe them and you.
.

:facepalm:

That is abiogenesis, not evolution.


Until then, your multiple post and conclusions are the false pseudoscience you are peddling.

YOU are FACTUALLY wrong and have no credibility here.


They admit to a lack of "Details"---which is understandable---their "Theories" have not been "Observed", Therefore, cannot be considered "facts" by their own definition.

YOU do not have the intellect to comprehend we dont have the details of gravity, but the apple still falls from the tree.

While we do not know all the details, EVOLUTION HAS BEEN OBSERVED,

STOP YOUR EDUCATIONAL TERRORISM.

The worlds school systems are correct, and you are not. :facepalm:
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
When they(IAP) produced the "observed facts"----"Elements" from nothing as they claim happened and "Life" from the "elements" which they produced, then I will believe them and you.
Until then, your multiple post and conclusions are the false pseudoscience you are peddling.
They admit to a lack of "Details"---which is understandable---their "Theories" have not been "Observed", Therefore, cannot be considered "facts" by their own definition. Get Real! IT is only "Faith" in their own "unproven Theories".

But no creationist could do those things - if that is what it takes to believe, how can you believe?

Creationists believe in an all powerful god, but can not show that god having any impact on the universe whatsoever - you can not show it producing elements from nothing, or creating life, or ANYTHING. At least science has some observable evidence, on that point theism has contributed precisely nothing in thousands of years.

You seem to apply the word 'faith' to science as some sort of reductive insult - 'ONLY faith', the irony being that your entire worldview is based on ONLY faith.
 
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sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
When they(IAP) produced the "observed facts"----"Elements" from nothing as they claim happened and "Life" from the "elements" which they produced, then I will believe them and you.
Until then, your multiple post and conclusions are the false pseudoscience you are peddling.
They admit to a lack of "Details"---which is understandable---their "Theories" have not been "Observed", Therefore, cannot be considered "facts" by their own definition.

:facepalm:

That is abiogenesis, not evolution.

Outhouse, the "abiogenesis" could not have occurred with out the production of the "elements" from "nothing". That is a part of the scientific Theory for the source and life upon this earth.

The "observed evolution" isn't seen in any change from any one classification into another. It has been the manipulations of the theories of similar structures that has lead to the "common ancestor" association. However, that also falls into the lack of "Details" acknowledged.

We get what one sees from the production "after one's kind". Humans=Humans; Corn=Corn; etc. From Creation to today.

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post Until then, your multiple post and conclusions are the false pseudoscience you are peddling.

YOU are FACTUALLY wrong and have no credibility here.

Have you produced anything but false accusations? Show me the "elements" and Life that was spontaneously produced.

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post They admit to a lack of "Details"---which is understandable---their "Theories" have not been "Observed", Therefore, cannot be considered "facts" by their own definition.

YOU do not have the intellect to comprehend we dont have the details of gravity, but the apple still falls from the tree.

While we do not know all the details, EVOLUTION HAS BEEN OBSERVED,

STOP YOUR EDUCATIONAL TERRORISM.

The worlds school systems are correct, and you are not. :facepalm:

GOD created all things including "gravity", but our discussion is concerning man's theory of "evolution" as you believe rather than the Scriptural account.
And the IAP attests to not having those "details" in the statement concerning "evolution" and not "gravity."
It is mankind's false conclusions which are contrary to the Biblical account that is denounced.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
When they(IAP) produced the "observed facts"----"Elements" from nothing as they claim happened and "Life" from the "elements" which they produced, then I will believe them and you.
Until then, your multiple post and conclusions are the false pseudoscience you are peddling.
They admit to a lack of "Details"---which is understandable---their "Theories" have not been "Observed", Therefore, cannot be considered "facts" by their own definition. Get Real! IT is only "Faith" in their own "unproven Theories".

But no creationist could do those things - if that is what it takes to believe, how can you believe?

Creationists believe in an all powerful god, but can not show that god having any impact on the universe whatsoever - you can not show it producing elements from nothing, or creating life, or ANYTHING. At least science has some observable evidence, on that point theism has contributed precisely nothing in thousands of years.

You seem to apply the word 'faith' to science as some sort of reductive insult - 'ONLY faith', the irony being that your entire worldview is based on ONLY faith.

Hi Bunyip, It was the creationist, but the CREATOR who did the Creating of ALL that is seen---That is the evidence. HE was recorded with mankind at Sinai and for more than forty years--extending into the conquest of the promised land. During that time, HE produced Manna for over a million persons, produced water from rock, produced food for their animals, Parted the Red sea so they went over it on dry-land.
In the beginning, GOD did create all you see. including Life in all its forms.
Yes, I do have Faith in the Creator GOD rather than the "Theories" produced by the machinations of mankind.
 
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