Genesis 2

[Triumphant_Loser]

Here I think many of us can agree.

Always a good thing to find some common ground. :yes:

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

So...back to topic.

I still have seen nothing to take down what I believe of Genesis.

Chapter Two is a telling of selection and manipulation.
The terms indicate methods and means far beyond the understanding of the authors.

But we know such things can happen.

I still object to the scientific impossibility that plants and vegetation can be created before the sun, as the Genesis account states, and yet somehow survive at temperatures of around -450 degrees Fahrenheit. (Which would probably be around how cold Earth's atmosphere would be if there were no sun.) They would literally freeze the moment they were created.

 

[Thief]

I still object to the scientific impossibility that plants and vegetation can be created before the sun, as the Genesis account states, and yet somehow survive at temperatures of around -450 degrees Fahrenheit. (Which would probably be around how cold Earth's atmosphere would be if there were no sun.) They would literally freeze the moment they were created.

Who said green life was made here on earth ....first?

 

[outhouse]

Yes, there is something special about the name JESUS--it means Saviour.

Doctors are your savior. All through the education system you hate


They will save your life with the science you hate.

 

[CG Didymus]

I still object to the scientific impossibility that plants and vegetation can be created before the sun, as the Genesis account states, and yet somehow survive at temperatures of around -450 degrees Fahrenheit. (Which would probably be around how cold Earth's atmosphere would be if there were no sun.) They would literally freeze the moment they were created.

Why are you taking it so literal. Obviously God kept them warm over night, and then in the morning made the Sun and stars... and black holes, supernovas, asteroids and comets, all to make it appear that we are nothing but an insignificant bleep on the cosmic radar screen. But no, we are the most important thing in the universe. He created it all for us. His majesty is every where. Like in the stars exploding in space and things getting sucked into some mysterious void. So silly Triumphant Loser, just because there was no Sun doesn't mean it was cold. God's love would have been sufficient to keep them warm. After all, it was just one night.

No wait, aren't we talking about Genesis 2? So yeah, those other plants froze to death. God started over in a different order. This time with the Sun already in place. But he still had a problem, no rain. All the plants withered and died from the heat. He didn't want to create rain yet, because he had bigger plans for rain. So he created a drip system. He had another problem too, but it somehow got left out of the final draft of the Bible. The dinosaurs kept getting into the flower beds at night and stopping them down into circles and things.

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes, there is something special about the name JESUS--it means Saviour.

When did Christians first start calling Jesus, Jesus? What was wrong with his Hebrew name? Or, whatever Jesus is in Greek? Why aren't those names special?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Thief View Post
Here I think many of us can agree.

Always a good thing to find some common ground. :yes:

What may be "common ground" at on spot/point in life--- can be "quick-sand" with a change in directions. That is why the Scriptures are stated to be a "light to one's path".

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Thief View Post
So...back to topic.

I still have seen nothing to take down what I believe of Genesis.

Chapter Two is a telling of selection and manipulation.
The terms indicate methods and means far beyond the understanding of the authors.

But we know such things can happen.

I still object to the scientific impossibility that plants and vegetation can be created before the sun, as the Genesis account states, and yet somehow survive at temperatures of around -450 degrees Fahrenheit. (Which would probably be around how cold Earth's atmosphere would be if there were no sun.) They would literally freeze the moment they were created.

"Scientific impossibility"? If I recall scientific experiments, there was a lot of heat generated when the elements were combined together into compounds. There was water everywhere---and Hydrogen and oxygen---produces quite a bang and a lot of heat.
There was a lot of Speaking(GOD---even that was "energy") and combining those elements into that which was made/Created prior to plant life.

As already was pointed out, Plant life can withstand no light (and cold) for more than twenty four hours.(Think above the Artic Circle.)

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Yes, there is something special about the name JESUS--it means Saviour.

Doctors are your savior. All through the education system you hate

They will save your life with the science you hate.

That sounds good, but if it were true then there would be no sickness or death.

In contrast to the false assumption/opinions you keep projecting to me, I have a healthy respect for education and science---rightly understood.
All you have to do for me to believe as you(in regards to evolution), IS for you to produce just one of the earth's elements FROM NOTHING(none of the existing ones). Next, Produce "LIFE" from that material.
The only advancing that Scientist have done in those areas is in the "TIME" for their "Theories" to have occurred.

 

[outhouse]

I have a healthy respect for education and science---.

You factually hate science and education and trash it when ever you can.

---rightly understood.

Which is the problem.

You do not understand it. YOU pervert it.

 

[outhouse]

You FLAT deny, and attack what is taught in EVERY credibe school across the whole world.

Not just one obscure school, ALL of them.


Doesnt that make you an educational terrorist?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Yes, there is something special about the name JESUS--it means Saviour.

When did Christians first start calling Jesus, Jesus? What was wrong with his Hebrew name? Or, whatever Jesus is in Greek? Why aren't those names special?

Jesus was named long before there was a follower of Jesus Christ and they were called "Christians".
A rose by any other name is still a rose.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
I have a healthy respect for education and science---rightly understood.

You factually hate science and education and trash it when ever you can.

Which is the problem. You do not understand it. YOU pervert it.

The only perverting is---that which you are trying to do with my posts.
Your posts are an attack upon my person rather than an answer to my comments and the topic.
The Creating done in Gen.1+2 was fully explained in the Scriptures. Ps.33:6-9, "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast."

In contrast to the false assumption/opinions you keep projecting to me, I have a healthy respect for education and science---rightly understood.
All you have to do for me to believe as you(in regards to evolution), IS for you to produce just one of the earth's elements FROM NOTHING(none of the existing ones). Next, Produce "LIFE" from that material.
The only advancing that Scientist have done in those areas is in the "TIME" for their "Theories" to have occurred.

Please produce those items or acknowledge as did the Scientist that they can not unravel those "Mysteries of the Creator GOD." The "details" are not within their grasp.

 

[CG Didymus]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Yes, there is something special about the name JESUS--it means Saviour.



Jesus was named long before there was a follower of Jesus Christ and they were called "Christians".
A rose by any other name is still a rose.

What language is "Jesus Christ"? All I'm asking is why don't you use the Hebrew word or the Greek word? Aren't they more likely to be the real word that God intended?

 

[CG Didymus]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
I have a healthy respect for education and science---rightly understood.

I mentioned the thing about no rain, but a mist, in Genesis 2. What is your Bible-based scientific view of rain or no rain before the flood? I read this in Answers in Genesis:

The answer is obvious. Yes, it did! No, it didn’t! Wait, which answer is right, or is a third option possible?
Scripture says tantalizingly little about climate conditions before the Flood. Based on a few indirect verses, early creationists speculated that a vapor canopy covered the earth until the first rain fell during the Flood. In time, this view became dogma for some Christians. Later, when mathematical modeling failed to support the canopy theory, many creationists abandoned the idea of a canopy and no-rain-before-the-Flood. In time, the belief that it rained before the Flood became a new dogma. In such cases, how should a Bible believer respond?

...Was there rain before the Genesis Flood? I don’t believe there was, at least near the Garden of Eden. But only time will tell if modeling efforts are successful in supporting a canopy prior to the Flood. If the modeling is not successful, then rain probably fell before the Flood, at least far from the Garden of Eden. Whatever explanation is true, the Bible’s accuracy is not in question. Any combination of these models would be consistent with the biblical account, or perhaps an alternative set of conditions, which we have not yet discovered, drove the pre-Flood climate.

It makes it sound like Christians change their unchanging Biblical view sometimes. That can't right, because then Christians might someday have to admit things like the Earth going around the Sun, or, God forbid, something like evolution being true.

Oh, and one other question... Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs, already that doesn't sound very likely, but...after she gets cursed God tells her she will have pain giving birth. So, does that mean that the gap in her pelvis was bigger before the curse? Then God changed her anatomy to make it painful?

 

[sincerly]

You FLAT deny, and attack what is taught in EVERY credibe school across the whole world.

Not just one obscure school, ALL of them.

Doesnt that make you an educational terrorist?

No! Concerning evolution (and that is the subject) of your and my dialogue, is How what is seen arrived---TO BE.

Mankind, as the most intelligent of all animate things observed upon this planet, has, for the most part, departed from logical answers to speculation.
That didn't just occur, but the Scriptures have shown the history of mankind from the Ages past to be "doubters of the truth/reality".

There are many schools/learning institutions which do not teach evolution as a fact.
"Evolution" of itself doesn't negate/promote "Education". The earth would still turn if neither was taught in the educational system as we know it.

"Intelligent human Beings" would still wonder just what purpose is there to the life we live? Is what we see what we get?

My logic tells me that your assertions/suppositions as to how this "ALL" came to be still with out the necessary "details" that scientist acknowledge, but refuse to relinquish their "Theories". That is exhibiting a greater Faith in themselves---than the Obvious---A "force" greater than themselves. The recording of that "Force" was seen at Sinai and until the Promised Lands were secure. And again 2000 years ago.

 

[sincerly]

What language is "Jesus Christ"? All I'm asking is why don't you use the Hebrew word or the Greek word? Aren't they more likely to be the real word that God intended?

CG D, Jesus Christ is English and that is what we both speak and read.
Again, "A rose by any other name is still a rose".
GOD confounded the languages---to HIM whatever Name the people who speak the languages of the world Call HIM---HE is Pleased to Listen and respond.

 

[outhouse]

There are many schools/learning institutions which do not teach evolution as a fact

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None that are credible, and every one is a religious school

 

[outhouse]

My logic tells me

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Not much at all.



You have no comprehensive skills.


Gravity is missing details, but the apple factually still falls.


YOU HATE EDUCATION AND KNOWLEDGE! and what is taught in every school around the world as fact. Less those pitiful religious schools promoting lies through pseudoscience.

 

[Ken Brown]

Shalom outhouse, Yeshua BELIEVED Moses existed, and that he (Moses) even WROTE about His (Yeshua's) future death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection that He would fulfill:

Outhouse, why do you continue to foolishly deny what the historical Moses wrote in Numbers 19 concerning the suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection of Yeshua? Will your mind ever be "opened" to understand what is WRITTEN by Moses? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Shalom outhouse, maybe you need to bring in one of your "experts" to respond for you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.