Genesis 2

[CG Didymus]

Do not stop your scenario there----Your next scene should read "and the Creator GOD of all things created a desirable place for mankind to live and raise children. However, mankind chose to listen to a very cruel adversary and the "paradise" became one of toil and misery with their disobedience. But the story isn't complete----

Are earthquakes, floods, volcanoes part of the curse? Or were they always there and part of the "paradise"? Since all of creation isn't very old, The Satan was created and turned bad all in the first week? After he turned bad why did God cast him down to Earth? What purpose was the two trees supposed to serve? What happened to them? Why is this story "The Truth" and other creation stories myth?

 

[sincerly]

Genesis is a product of humanity. Therefore, according to you, neither solid nor credible. Care to change your assessment?

The Creator of all things(GOD) excludes the created(mankind) from "producing" that which was written in Genesis. However, the written account of the Who, What, Why, How and Where was given to Mankind for the understanding and knowledge of the future generations.
That was my assessment. It is solid and credible.

It is mankind's theorized version which has neither a solid foundation nor a credible reason for its existence.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Do not stop your scenario there----Your next scene should read "and the Creator GOD of all things created a desirable place for mankind to live and raise children. However, mankind chose to listen to a very cruel adversary and the "paradise" became one of toil and misery with their disobedience. But the story isn't complete----

Are earthquakes, floods, volcanoes part of the curse? Or were they always there and part of the "paradise"?

To my knowledge the first "earthquake" swallowed up Korah and all that pertained to him. (Num.16:32)

The first flood was during Noah's time.
Volcanos? I have no knowledge of such being used to punish mankind. None of those things was present in the Garden of Eden prior to Disobedience.

Since all of creation isn't very old, The Satan was created and turned bad all in the first week? After he turned bad why did God cast him down to Earth? What purpose was the two trees supposed to serve? What happened to them? Why is this story "The Truth" and other creation stories myth?

Wrong! 1Pet,1:18-20, attests to there being GOD and a plan for the restoration of Mankind should there be disobedience. And 2Pet.2:4-9 attests to there being the Angels with GOD in heaven prior to the Creation of the earth and our solar system.

Those disobedient Angels are here until the judgment of the world's wicked along with those who were casted down.

 

[outhouse]

learn how to use the quote feature


you dont have any credibility here at all.

 

[outhouse]

it is solid and credible.

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your opinion is not.

It goes against common knowledge and facts

 

[outhouse]

STOP HATING AMERICA

And its education system.

No one at all teaches history out of a bible , your embarrassing humanity and good Christians everywhere.

 

[Thief]

STOP HATING AMERICA

And its education system.

No one at all teaches history out of a bible , your embarrassing humanity and good Christians everywhere.

Listening to historians preach is so dull.

 

[CG Didymus]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Do not stop your scenario there----Your next scene should read "and the Creator GOD of all things created a desirable place for mankind to live and raise children. However, mankind chose to listen to a very cruel adversary and the "paradise" became one of toil and misery with their disobedience. But the story isn't complete----

Are earthquakes, floods, volcanoes part of the curse? Or were they always there and part of the "paradise"?

(Sincerly's answer. This is not part of my post)To my knowledge the first "earthquake" swallowed up Korah and all that pertained to him. (Num.16:32)

The first flood was during Noah's time.
Volcanos? I have no knowledge of such being used to punish mankind. None of those things was present in the Garden of Eden prior to Disobedience.



Wrong! 1Pet,1:18-20, attests to there being GOD and a plan for the restoration of Mankind should there be disobedience. And 2Pet.2:4-9 attests to there being the Angels with GOD in heaven prior to the Creation of the earth and our solar system.

Those disobedient Angels are here until the judgment of the world's wicked along with those who were casted down.

What purpose did the trees serve except to tempt them to eat from them? Why would God have done that and then placed a talking serpent in the garden?

If the serpent was The Satan in disguise, what was he doing there? Why would he be in paradise? If he had already rebelled, then God knew something he made was evil and beyond repair. But, how's that possible? Why couldn't God fix him and make him obey, or why not destroy him? Why let him live on and then create the Earth and mankind and turn The Satan loose on them?

And the Earth? No natural disasters, or things that seem to appear naturally, until the "fall"? There's bad weather, volcanoes and ground shaking on other planets and moons. Did they get cursed too?

 

[Thief]

What purpose did the trees serve except to tempt them to eat from them? Why would God have done that and then placed a talking serpent in the garden?

If the serpent was The Satan in disguise, what was he doing there? Why would he be in paradise? If he had already rebelled, then God knew something he made was evil and beyond repair. But, how's that possible? Why couldn't God fix him and make him obey, or why not destroy him? Why let him live on and then create the Earth and mankind and turn The Satan loose on them?

And the Earth? No natural disasters, or things that seem to appear naturally, until the "fall"? There's bad weather, volcanoes and ground shaking on other planets and moons. Did they get cursed too?

If someone obeys your every word to the letter....does he have freewill?

The only way to know is to offer a choice.

The choice was to know and die.....or to refrain.

We are that creature that desires to know, even as death is pending.
We need to be such a creature to survive the last breath.

Want to know paradise?
You need only die.

( I can wait a little longer...no hurry)

 

[sojourner]

The Creator of all things(GOD) excludes the created(mankind) from "producing" that which was written in Genesis. However, the written account of the Who, What, Why, How and Where was given to Mankind for the understanding and knowledge of the future generations.
That was my assessment. It is solid and credible.

It is mankind's theorized version which has neither a solid foundation nor a credible reason for its existence.

Since God is Spirit (can can't hold pen to paper), God didn't write the bible. Human beings wrote the bible. Any other conclusion is pure fantasy.

 

[CG Didymus]

If someone obeys your every word to the letter....does he have freewill?

The only way to know is to offer a choice.

The choice was to know and die.....or to refrain.

We are that creature that desires to know, even as death is pending.
We need to be such a creature to survive the last breath.

Want to know paradise?
You need only die.

( I can wait a little longer...no hurry)

Genesis 2:16-17English Standard Version (ESV)

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

How is that really freewill? He "commanded" then threatened Adam with a penalty. It would be like a father telling his son that he will pay for his college education, if he doesn't do drugs. And, then tells him he will have him arrested and thrown in jail if he does do drugs. Of course the kid has a choice, but is that freewill?

So, I was wondering if you could share a few verses that explain or define what Biblical "freewill" is?

 

[Thief]

Your previous post somehow placed your name to my words.
Might be confusing to anyone else watching this.

Freewill is demonstrated when you make a choice.

The garden event was not a threat.
Many people tend to think of it as a test.

I might agree.
First a manipulation of body and spirit.
Then a choice is offered to see if the alteration took hold.

It did.

We ARE that creature that seeks to know....even as death is pending.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by CG Didymus View Post
If someone obeys your every word to the letter....does he have freewill?

How is that really freewill? He "commanded" then threatened Adam with a penalty. It would be like a father telling his son that he will pay for his college education, if he doesn't do drugs. And, then tells him he will have him arrested and thrown in jail if he does do drugs. Of course the kid has a choice, but is that freewill?

So, I was wondering if you could share a few verses that explain or define what Biblical "freewill" is?

Ex. 219:8, "all the people answered together, and said, " All that the Lord hath spoken, we will do."
Joshua 24:15, "If it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve...."
"Freewill" is the choice between two(or more) alternatives. Mankind has always been free to make an informed choice.
GOD told them the consequences, But they were not able to experience Death without returning to the "dust" from whence they were Created.
Nor the curses which were placed upon the world and themselves, Prior to being Disobedient. Those curses served to remind mankind that Obedience is the Correct Choice.(Use of one's Free will.)

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by CG Didymus View Post
If someone obeys your every word to the letter....does he have freewill?



Ex. 219:8, "all the people answered together, and said, " All that the Lord hath spoken, we will do."
Joshua 24:15, "If it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve...."
"Freewill" is the choice between two(or more) alternatives. Mankind has always been free to make an informed choice.
GOD told them the consequences, But they were not able to experience Death without returning to the "dust" from whence they were Created.
Nor the curses which were placed upon the world and themselves, Prior to being Disobedient. Those curses served to remind mankind that Obedience is the Correct Choice.(Use of one's Free will.)

You have no credibility here. STOP HATING THE USA and its education system, that teaches the opposite of your view.

You cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature with simple, step by step instructions.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by CG Didymus View Post
If someone obeys your every word to the letter....does he have freewill?



Ex. 219:8, "all the people answered together, and said, " All that the Lord hath spoken, we will do."
Joshua 24:15, "If it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve...."
"Freewill" is the choice between two(or more) alternatives. Mankind has always been free to make an informed choice.
GOD told them the consequences, But they were not able to experience Death without returning to the "dust" from whence they were Created.
Nor the curses which were placed upon the world and themselves, Prior to being Disobedient. Those curses served to remind mankind that Obedience is the Correct Choice.(Use of one's Free will.)

You have no credibility here. STOP HATING THE USA and its education system, that teaches the opposite of your view.

You cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature with simple, step by step instructions.

Outhouse, apparently you do not know how to use the "quote feature". That space between CG D's question and my response appears to be his question only---then your response.

Neither are Your insinuating machinations my beliefs---Nor on topic.

Neither did this(your) post address/contribute to the posts you had indicated.

 

[outhouse]

You have no credibility here. STOP HATING THE USA and its education system, that teaches the opposite of your view.

You cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature with simple, step by step instructions.

 

[sincerly]

You have no credibility here. STOP HATING THE USA and its education system, that teaches the opposite of your view.

You cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature with simple, step by step instructions.

Outhouse, apparently you do not know how to use the "quote feature".
Neither are Your insinuating machinations my beliefs---Nor on topic.

Neither did this(your) post address/contribute to the posts you had indicated.(prior)

The Scriptures continue to declare that God Is the Creator of all things.

 

[outhouse]

You have no credibility here. STOP HATING THE USA and its education system, that teaches the opposite of your view.

You cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature with simple, step by step instructions.


by the way I use the feature correctly and copied your whole post to show your quote feature errors

You have no business debating while lacking enough comprehensive skills to understand what is being written.

 

[sincerly]

You have no credibility here. STOP HATING THE USA and its education system, that teaches the opposite of your view.

You cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature with simple, step by step instructions.


by the way I use the feature correctly and copied your whole post to show your quote feature errors

You have no business debating while lacking enough comprehensive skills to understand what is being written.

I pointed out to you where your quote lacked the correct name for the quote.

You have no credentials to tell me what "I hate" or under what conditions I can "debate". In fact, you continue to attack my person with your remarks.
The Subject is still the scriptures of Genesis 2.

 

[outhouse]

I pointed out to you where your quote lacked the correct name for the quote.

You pointed out your own error

Which is why it is important for you to use the feature correctly.

Others who quote you pull everything in your post.


It was your fault, and I was pointing it out by pulling your whole quote.

You have no credentials to tell me what "I hate" or under what conditions I can "debate".

Yes I do.

You admit to hating the education system in the good ole USA. You trash everything it teaches with your personal unsubstantiated bias.


Your also giving credible christians a black eye who also appose your view.