Genesis 2

[gnostic]

How was it determined who wrote Genesis? Everything you believe about the Bible is the consensus of one group or another. Do all people study it in the original languages?

You should know by now that the original language of the bible is King James' English.

 

[CG Didymus]

You should know by now that the original language of the bible is King James' English.

Are you sure? These guys knocked on my door the other day and said their translation was the original. What's going on here? Besides, the King James guys were just a group of people. What makes their consensus the right one? I'm going with these nice people down at the Watchtower place. Anybody that names their group after a Dylan/Hendrix song is all right with me.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

You should know by now that the original language of the bible is King James' English.

We actually had a really religious girl at our school that was doing poorly in Spanish 2 that year, and she went off on the teacher one day in the middle of class and one of the things she mentioned was "why are we even required to take a foreign language class... English was good enough for the Lord, why isn't it good enough for us too?" This was our Junior year of High School.

 

[sincerly]

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...They all based their opinions upon to consensus of the group.

And how was the NT canon decided upon?

How was it determined who wrote Genesis? Everything you believe about the Bible is the consensus of one group or another. Do all people study it in the original languages? Do all people research how and why different groups believe and interpret it differently? No, they go with their groups opinions, which are thought to be "facts", but they aren't. They are still just opinions of men.

CG D, Now you are comparing apples and oranges. The NT writings were individual writings/epistles by many persons-- treating various subjects relating to the salvation of people; and all based upon the principles seen in the OT which were given to individual persons and Israel as a nation to correct and instruct their paths into righteousness.

That other group's consensus was opinions which best suited their collective right or wrong Man's opinions.

Notice Ex. 24:3-4, "And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel."

Did Adam and Eve have a choice as to what to accept as Truth? Yes.
In your opinion, is the serpent correct? Or what others have chosen and doubt.? Isn't those responses "still the opinions of men"?
Gen.1+2(like all scripture) comes down to an individual response--- Believe or disbelieve????

 

[outhouse]

Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
I don't hate knowledge nor education, but false information and education based upon false knowledge doesn't equate to a right understanding of either.

Yes you do. You just wont admit it.

Some people have the guts to admit and stand behind their statements

I have defended my statements/comments. I see a lot of duplicated posts by you , but mostly trying to cover up what you posted and they admit as the lacking of Many details". And then the many personal attacks which have nothing to do with the topic under debate.

Right there!!!!!!! you hate education. You don't get to correct it, your no one to correct what you don't understand.

SO!! My not liking,

false information and education based upon false knowledge doesn't equate to a right understanding of either.

is to be ignored and truth is to be shunned/discouraged for invalid understanding and general falseness?

I'm sorry you want to destroy America, by attacking its weak link. Education.

BUT YOU DONT GET TO ATTACK EDUCATION not with any credibility.

Your view is outlawed in our education system so that we don't poison children's minds.

At the present time, America's policies are the destructive force. Could it be the wrong "education"?----But that is another topic and off-topic here.

That last sentence of yours is true---"" so that we don't poison children's minds.""--- the Creationist view would protect the children from the acknowledged "poison".

 

[sincerly]

Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

They still haven't found the answer to those necessary "DETAILS". All they need to do is read Gen.1+2/The Scriptures.

 

[outhouse]

They still haven't found the answer to those necessary "DETAILS"..

stop the ignorant display of intellect applied to science.

Gravity is factual, just like evolution. And we know more about evolution then gravity.

 

[outhouse]

All they need to do is read Gen.1+2/The Scriptures.

:biglaugh:

Ha ha. now try and be serious

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
They still haven't found the answer to those necessary "DETAILS". All they need to do is read Gen.1+2/The Scriptures.

stop the ignorant display of intellect applied to science.

Gravity is factual, just like evolution. And we know more about evolution then gravity.
Ha ha. now try and be serious.

Are you saying that the IAP wasn't serious when it made the Statement--

...there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,...

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One really does need those "experimentally observed precise details" before one can move from opinion/theory/guess/supposition to "fact".
What you have "displayed" isn't "intellect", but gullibility in accepting falseness of science so-called. At least that statement acknowledged the missing "details" while attempting to claim that the Theory was complete because the THEORY said so.

Gravity is fact, but Not because its "details" was proven in the lab, but because GOD designed and made those forces. "Life" is another mystery of GOD which mankind can not reproduce.

 

[Thief]

One really does need those "experimentally observed precise details" before one can move from opinion/theory/guess/supposition to "fact".
What you have "displayed" isn't "intellect", but gullibility in accepting falseness of science so-called. At least that statement acknowledged the missing "details" while attempting to claim that the Theory was complete because the THEORY said so.

Gravity is fact, but Not because its "details" was proven in the lab, but because GOD designed and made those forces. "Life" is another mystery of GOD which mankind can not reproduce.

Excellent.

 

[CG Didymus]

Notice Ex. 24:3-4, "And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD...

Hmmm? Notice. Moses writes in the third person? Why didn't he say, "I came and told the people what the Lord told me. And then, I wrote it down... but then everything I wrote was lost. Then we lost what God wrote on stone. And then I died and Joshua took the people into the promised land without me. Oh wait a minute? How did I write that?"

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
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Intellect is required to debate.

Its hard to debate with someone who lacks the ability to use a quote feature children can use.

Someone who hates education and knowledge, so much, he refuses to reason.

 

[sincerly]

Hmmm? Notice. Moses writes in the third person? Why didn't he say, "I came and told the people what the Lord told me. And then, I wrote it down... but then everything I wrote was lost. Then we lost what God wrote on stone. And then I died and Joshua took the people into the promised land without me. Oh wait a minute? How did I write that?"

Have you noticed that much of my writing is in the third person?
Did you notice that much of what is written is for those who are to be instructed after Moses is not on the scene leading the people?

Deut.6:5-15, "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 ¶ And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
Deu 6:9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Deu 6:10 ¶ And it shall be, when the LORD thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,
Deu 6:11 And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;
Deu 6:12 Then beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 6:13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
Deu 6:14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
Deu 6:15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth."

CG D, When was Chapters and verses inserted into the Scriptures to make it easier to comprehend?? It is it to hard to believe that the last 7 verses belong to Joshua who took over the leadership from Moses and did the recording? Or even a scribe who wrote that which was given by GO to the Prophets and recorded by them. Even today, a secretary does the writing as stated and the CEO--reads---and signs-off on the message.

You protestest to much!!

 

[outhouse]

Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

 

[CG Didymus]

Have you noticed that much of my writing is in the third person?

CG went forth and spake unto Sincerely, "How be it that the Hebrews knew nothing of their past until Moses, supposedly, wrote it down? They had no oral traditions of Abraham, Issac, and of creation until Moses told them?" He then asked, "What happened between the time of Joseph and the time of Moses?" He proceeded to question Sincerely as to why the Egyptians had no such recording of said people that had been turned into slaves.

But that's not important, it's time to listen to the story about the generations that led up to CG, how he was born, and then what he did as a young boy, and what others were doing and thinking at the time. Things that he would have had no way of knowing, unless the story was written after the fact by some unknown person at a much later date.

CG was the humblest of men and whilst he was on a hiking trip, his bother threw a party at his apartment in which he had many a "loose" women and booze and drugs and that music in which the Lord abhorreth, rock and roll. CG came back from the mountain with a peaceful easy feeling and proceeded to lay down the law. He toldeth his brother, "Thou shalt not have wild women, strong drink, and drugs and throw wild parties in my apartment wheneth I am out of town." CG was miffed. His brother spake, "You are no funneth." "Tough" he said, "This is my house and you will not profaneth it."

But to understand the relationship between the two brothers maybe CG should start at the beginning. "First the Earth was empty and void..."

 

[sincerly]

Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

...Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,...

Those are the statements produced by you--- and not my opinion. The statement is from that group of people and is their opinion.

 

[sincerly]

CG went forth and spake unto Sincerely, "How be it that the Hebrews knew nothing of their past until Moses, supposedly, wrote it down? They had no oral traditions of Abraham, Issac, and of creation until Moses told them?" He then asked, "What happened between the time of Joseph and the time of Moses?" He proceeded to question Sincerely as to why the Egyptians had no such recording of said people that had been turned into slaves.

But that's not important, it's time to listen to the story about the generations that led up to CG, how he was born, and then what he did as a young boy, and what others were doing and thinking at the time. Things that he would have had no way of knowing, unless the story was written after the fact by some unknown person at a much later date.

CG was the humblest of men and whilst he was on a hiking trip, his bother threw a party at his apartment in which he had many a "loose" women and booze and drugs and that music in which the Lord abhorreth, rock and roll. CG came back from the mountain with a peaceful easy feeling and proceeded to lay down the law. He toldeth his brother, "Thou shalt not have wild women, strong drink, and drugs and throw wild parties in my apartment wheneth I am out of town." CG was miffed. His brother spake, "You are no funneth." "Tough" he said, "This is my house and you will not profaneth it."

But to understand the relationship between the two brothers maybe CG should start at the beginning. "First the Earth was empty and void..."

Do not stop your scenario there----Your next scene should read "and the Creator GOD of all things created a desirable place for mankind to live and raise children. However, mankind chose to listen to a very cruel adversary and the "paradise" became one of toil and misery with their disobedience. But the story isn't complete----

 

[sojourner]

that "Anchor Bible Commentary" was made a "source" in 1958? and is hardly to be no more knowledgeable than the weakest of its contributors opinions. They all based their opinions upon to consensus of the group. therefore, diminishing the truth--if one was even given.

It's heavily peer-reviewed by the best scholars available, who concur with its findings -- or they wouldn't bother to review it. Its findings are based upon the best scholarship available. You asked for sources. It's one of the very best.

The Scriptural account still verifies the GOD Created universe and Mankind as the crowning event.

I never claimed otherwise.

King Solomon ruled about 1126 B.C.(built the Temple.) and the tabernacle that was shown to Moses(its pattern) was given some 400+ Years before that. And The Decalogue attests to GOD being the Creator of all things.

And this has... what, exactly, to do with the placement of Gen 1 & 2?

 

[sojourner]

The only "reasonable development of mankind" is given in those Scriptural verses seen in Gen.1+2. And that is "solid and Credible information".

Mankind and mankind's machinations are neither "solid nor credible"---"many details are still lacking".

Genesis is a product of humanity. Therefore, according to you, neither solid nor credible. Care to change your assessment?