Genesis 2

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
The True message of Genesis is that Mankind in general has mostly been disobedient from the "beginning".

The OP asks about the "forbidden fruit." God put the temptation and tempter in the garden. Did he expect Adam and Eve to do different than what they did?

CG D, From what the Scriptures reveal/have given us to know and understand, yes/no.
Job is an example. He did as GOD expected. SO did Enoch.
It doesn't really explain Adam's choice.---because there IS no excuse for disobedience.
It is/was GOD'S Character/LAW that LOVE is the basis for all things. Therefore, GOD expected Mankind to make their decisions upon the principle of LOVE. The tree of life is evidence of that fact. Obedience equaled to continued LIFE(i.e.,=eternal life). At the same time, there was a provision made to redeem the guilty pair. 1Pet.1:18-21 reveals that plan,
""Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.""

The issue at stake IS GOD as HIS Character and Law indicate? One of Love and Justice? Lucifer and his disobedient Angels say NO! Adam and Eve felt that the "lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life" were more important than the "thou shalt not eat of the fruit". Therefore, an unloving GOD and unjust in HIS punishment.

Disobedience is more geared to James 2:10, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
And LUST/Covetousness precedes them all.

GOD didn't put the serpent/tempter in the garden. Like with JOB, he came to the only place in the Garden where he could entice/beguile mankind.

 

[sincerly]

You NEVER give any.

You have no credibility, nor the intellect to use the quote feature correctly.

Three in a row.

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Refute this.

 

[sincerly]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Refute this.

I have!

 

[outhouse]

I have!

No you have not, you cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature correctly with simple instructions let alone refute anything

You do not further religious education to anyone, and your science would be outlawed and kept from children in science classes.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
I have!

No you have not, you cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature correctly with simple instructions let alone refute anything

You do not further religious education to anyone, and your science would be outlawed and kept from children in science classes.

Non-sequitur!

 

[outhouse]

No you have not, you cannot even figure out how to use the quote feature correctly with simple instructions let alone refute anything

You do not further religious education to anyone, and your science would be outlawed and kept from children in science classes.

 

[Thief]

The OP asks about the "forbidden fruit." God put the temptation and tempter in the garden. Did he expect Adam and Eve to do different than what they did?

Many people think of it as a test.
I might agree.

If someone followed your spoken word to every detail.....do they have freewill?

To be sure, you give them a choice and see what happens.

The choice was to obey...or partake of knowledge and die.

They chose to know.

I believe Man was intended to be that creature wanting to know.
And to survive the last breath, that desire to know must be greater than the fear of death.

We DO seek to know....even at great risk.
Man IS that intended creature.

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

This is how the world views this topic. It is taught as higher learning in every college around the world, in every credible university.

STOP hating knowledge and education.

 

[sojourner]

Wrong. Gen.2: attests to Gen.1 being prior. Gen.2:4-25, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,..."

That is Scriptural and a continuing of the creating(Sabbath) and the added details concerning certain days creations. Where is your source? Or is it just your own opinion?

No. It's really not. And there's ample scholastic evidence to prove it. I'd have to say that The Anchor Bible Commentary is a pretty heavyweight scholastic source, for starters.
Gen. 1 was produced ca. 500 bce; Gen. 2 was produced ca. 950 bce.

 

[outhouse]

No. It's really not. And there's ample scholastic evidence to prove it. I'd have to say that The Anchor Bible Commentary is a pretty heavyweight scholastic source, for starters.
Gen. 1 was produced ca. 500 bce; Gen. 2 was produced ca. 950 bce.

He is YEC bud.

There is no debating going on here. he has been shown thi sinformation many times already.


2 + 2 does not equal 4 in this thread.

 

[sojourner]

He is YEC bud.

There is no debating going on here. he has been shown thi sinformation many times already.


2 + 2 does not equal 4 in this thread.

So much for the reasonable development of humankind...

 

[outhouse]

So much for the reasonable development of humankind...

he flat does not care about anyone but himself. he is really really old and will not change anything as far as his view of everything, no matter how solid the information is, and how credible the knowledge is.

he hates education and science.

 

[Thief]

I just LOVE science!....so I reiterate.

Many people think of it as a test.
I might agree.

If someone followed your spoken word to every detail.....do they have freewill?

To be sure, you give them a choice and see what happens.

The choice was to obey...or partake of knowledge and die.

They chose to know.

I believe Man was intended to be that creature wanting to know.
And to survive the last breath, that desire to know must be greater than the fear of death.

We DO seek to know....even at great risk.
Man IS that intended creature.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Wrong. Gen.2: attests to Gen.1 being prior. Gen.2:4-25, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,..."

That is Scriptural and a continuing of the creating(Sabbath) and the added details concerning certain days creations. Where is your source? Or is it just your own opinion?

No. It's really not. And there's ample scholastic evidence to prove it. I'd have to say that The Anchor Bible Commentary is a pretty heavyweight scholastic source, for starters.
Gen. 1 was produced ca. 500 bce; Gen. 2 was produced ca. 950 bce.

Sojourner, that "Anchor Bible Commentary" was made a "source" in 1958? and is hardly to be no more knowledgeable than the weakest of its contributors opinions. They all based their opinions upon to consensus of the group. therefore, diminishing the truth--if one was even given.

The Scriptural account still verifies the GOD Created universe and Mankind as the crowning event.

Strange!! King Solomon ruled about 1126 B.C.(built the Temple.) and the tabernacle that was shown to Moses(its pattern) was given some 400+ Years before that. And The Decalogue attests to GOD being the Creator of all things.

 

[sincerly]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

This is how the world views this topic. It is taught as higher learning in every college around the world, in every credible university.

STOP hating knowledge and education.

I don't hate knowledge nor education, but false information and education based upon false knowledge doesn't equate to a right understanding of either.

Eve received wrong "knowledge" and the "education" she accepted lead to physical death.
Those antediluvians accepted their "evil imaginations" over the preached true knowledge presented and lost their lives.
Gen.2 is still the only acceptable Scriptural answer of "knowledge and education."

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sojourner View Post
So much for the reasonable development of humankind...

he flat does not care about anyone but himself. he is really really old and will not change anything as far as his view of everything, no matter how solid the information is, and how credible the knowledge is.

he hates education and science.

The only "reasonable development of mankind" is given in those Scriptural verses seen in Gen.1+2. And that is "solid and Credible information".

Mankind and mankind's machinations are neither "solid nor credible"---"many details are still lacking".

 

[CG Didymus]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
...They all based their opinions upon to consensus of the group.

And how was the NT canon decided upon?

 

[outhouse]

I don't hate knowledge nor education,

Yes you do. You just wont admit it.

Some people have the guts to admit and stand behind their statements

but false information and education based upon false knowledge doesn't equate to a right understanding of either.

Right there!!!!!!! you hate education. You don't get to correct it, your no one to correct what you don't understand.

Gen.2 is still the only acceptable Scriptural answer of "knowledge and education

I'm sorry you want to destroy America, by attacking its weak link. Education.


BUT YOU DONT GET TO ATTACK EDUCATION not with any credibility.


Your view is outlawed in our education system so that we don't poison children's minds.

 

[CG Didymus]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincerly
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
...They all based their opinions upon to consensus of the group.

And how was the NT canon decided upon?

How was it determined who wrote Genesis? Everything you believe about the Bible is the consensus of one group or another. Do all people study it in the original languages? Do all people research how and why different groups believe and interpret it differently? No, they go with their groups opinions, which are thought to be "facts", but they aren't. They are still just opinions of men.