Genesis 2

[sincerly]

The egg. Actually, in a sense both came at the same time since the "chicken" was "born" when the red junglefowl was domesticated 5,000 years ago in Asia. In essence, humans created the "chicken" by domestication of a wild bird. The word "chicken" is our label on a bird that has different genetic code through breeding from that wild bird. At the time of the first domestication, they probably took both eggs, chicks, hens, and rosters at once.



Sure.


Not quite. Scientific laws are those facts of nature that are universal. Find a physical observation that's a fact that applies to all nature, at all times, universally, then it can be a law.

Still doesn't explain Thief's attempt to non-answer.


Nature, reality, existence, world, universe, it's all One. And that's the Source. Based on my own contemplation, meditation, insight and learnings from science and other fields, plus a long life of experience. It's all interconnected.


A scientific theory is a model or explanation of found/observed facts about nature. A scientific theory isn't promoted to "law" or "fact" at some point. But many theories are based on certain facts that the terms in front of the word "theory" also relates to observed facts. Like "theory of evolution" relates to the theory, the explanation of evolution. But evolution, as such, is an observed fact of the world. So evolution is a fact. Theory of evolution is the theory/model/explanation of the fact of evolution. The theory of evolution will never be "promoted" to the fact of evolution, since the theory is the explanation of the fact of evolution already.

The theory of genesis is based on one scripture. One text written by an unknown author (presumed Moses, but not confirmed), many, many, many years ago. What he/she got his/her information from, we can't know for sure. It could have been brought about by drugs, bad mushrooms, bad shellfish, sickness, or just basic fantasies. There are too many explanations to this single text. On the other hand you have hundreds of thousands of scientists working for 200 years and producing thousands of experiments and finding millions of artifacts, all working in unison to find a theory that explains the facts of nature. That explanation fits much better than the single ancient anonymous document. Simple as that.

However, you can always find interesting parts in Genesis that talks to you on a different level. Instead of taking Genesis literally, read it as a story that will teach you something about humanity and life in general, and spiritual life, then you'll find the true message.

The True message of Genesis is that Mankind in general has mostly been disobedient from the "beginning". That Beginning which mankind has yet to acknowledge. Also, Mankind continues to disregard the GOD who Created it all and tries to mask the "Evidence" GOD Created by assumptions which are using the very material they claim appeared from nothing.

 

[outhouse]

Mankind continues to disregard the GOD who Created it

How about mankind still follows mythology as if it were real, and those who hold he most faith, refuse education and knowledge over ancient men's mistakes for what they did not know.

 

[CG Didymus]

The True message of Genesis is that Mankind in general has mostly been disobedient from the "beginning". That Beginning which mankind has yet to acknowledge. Also, Mankind continues to disregard the GOD who Created it all and tries to mask the "Evidence" GOD Created by assumptions which are using the very material they claim appeared from nothing.

When did Genesis get revealed and then written down? What did mankind know of God's "Truth" prior to that?

 

[Thief]

When did Genesis get revealed and then written down? What did mankind know of God's "Truth" prior to that?

During the life of Moses?....kinda thought so.

Truth about God....no name....unseen.....spiritual....Creator.....

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
The True message of Genesis is that Mankind in general has mostly been disobedient from the "beginning". That Beginning which mankind has yet to acknowledge. Also, Mankind continues to disregard the GOD who Created it all and tries to mask the "Evidence" GOD Created by assumptions which are using the very material they claim appeared from nothing.

When did Genesis get revealed and then written down? What did mankind know of God's "Truth" prior to that?

CG D, GOD started the revealing to the first Created Humans---Adam and Eve.
They were given dominion over all that GOD had made. from an intimate relationship with all the Animals to what they were to eat and the place that would be their home--and to the weekly period for convocation with their Creator.
They(their offspring) were to Populate the entire earth.
That Revealing of GOD and HIS Creation was orally carried/revealed from one generation to the next. as is seen in each of the "these are the generations of---". The very first was which was Gen.2:4-25, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,..." (and all things.)

The witness effect by/of the oral messages. Two or more witnesses established the validity. Num.35:30; Deut.19:15.

Since the linage of Shem was nomadic, it was not until Moses that the written account of this history was written. GOD did the initial recording by writing with HIS OWN FINGER upon the two stone tablets the Decalogue. Moses then wrote the rest of what was revealed by GOD on Sinai---which accounts for the validity of Creation. Oral testimony and GOD'S Revelation.

 

[CG Didymus]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
The True message of Genesis is that Mankind in general has mostly been disobedient from the "beginning". That Beginning which mankind has yet to acknowledge. Also, Mankind continues to disregard the GOD who Created it all and tries to mask the "Evidence" GOD Created by assumptions which are using the very material they claim appeared from nothing.



CG D, GOD started the revealing to the first Created Humans---Adam and Eve.
They were given dominion over all that GOD had made. from an intimate relationship with all the Animals to what they were to eat and the place that would be their home--and to the weekly period for convocation with their Creator.
They(their offspring) were to Populate the entire earth.
That Revealing of GOD and HIS Creation was orally carried/revealed from one generation to the next. as is seen in each of the "these are the generations of---". The very first was which was Gen.2:4-25, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,..." (and all things.)

The witness effect by/of the oral messages. Two or more witnesses established the validity. Num.35:30; Deut.19:15.

Since the linage of Shem was nomadic, it was not until Moses that the written account of this history was written. GOD did the initial recording by writing with HIS OWN FINGER upon the two stone tablets the Decalogue. Moses then wrote the rest of what was revealed by GOD on Sinai---which accounts for the validity of Creation. Oral testimony and GOD'S Revelation.

So all the other people on the Earth except the Hebrews forgot this?

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly .

Can you read and watch this. it is embarrassing how simple this is and you still cannot get it right

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[outhouse]

, it was not until Moses that the written account of this history was written..

Which is not true.

Moses has no historicity as ever existing.

 

[Thief]

Which is not true.

Moses has no historicity as ever existing.

There you go....throw doubt on everything and everyone.

How far back can you trace your family?
Ooops......your ancestor has no record.....

He didn't exist.

But....here you are.
hehehehehehe

 

[outhouse]

There you go....throw doubt on everything and everyone.

I follow the known historical truth.


I don't invent or use imagination to fill in the ignorance I have.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
The True message of Genesis is that Mankind in general has mostly been disobedient from the "beginning".
CG D, GOD started the revealing to the first Created Humans---Adam and Eve.
They were given dominion over all that GOD had made...

They(their offspring) were to Populate the entire earth.
That Revealing of GOD and HIS Creation was orally carried/revealed from one generation to the next. as is seen in each of the "these are the generations of---". The very first was which was Gen.2:4-25, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,..." (and all things.)

The witness effect by/of the oral messages. Two or more witnesses established the validity. Num.35:30; Deut.19:15.

Since the linage of Shem was nomadic, it was not until Moses that the written account of this history was written. GOD did the initial recording by writing with HIS OWN FINGER upon the two stone tablets the Decalogue. Moses then wrote the rest of what was revealed by GOD on Sinai---which accounts for the validity of Creation. Oral testimony and GOD'S Revelation.

So all the other people on the Earth except
the Hebrews forgot this?

CG D, those other people of the earth were the descendants of Noah's other two sons. This is what the Scriptures recorded post Flood and the scattering from Babel of all persons.

Rom.1:17-32---read it all. Vs. 28, "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" That wasn't just forgetting---but deliberate choice.
Everyone has that same "freedom of choice" today. The Evidence of all things Created are still present for one to see.
Also, the evil that was unleashed by disobedience is there for comparison.

 

[outhouse]

Do you even have the intellect to follow instructions?


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[CG Didymus]

Do you even have the intellect to follow instructions?

Let me try.

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What do I do next? Something like this?

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
The True message of Genesis is that Mankind in general has mostly been disobedient from the "beginning".
CG D, GOD started the revealing to the first Created Humans---Adam and Eve.
They were given dominion over all that GOD had made...

They(their offspring) were to Populate the entire earth.
That Revealing of GOD and HIS Creation was orally carried/revealed from one generation to the next. as is seen in each of the "these are the generations of---". The very first was which was Gen.2:4-25, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,..." (and all things.)

The witness effect by/of the oral messages. Two or more witnesses established the validity. Num.35:30; Deut.19:15.

Since the linage of Shem was nomadic, it was not until Moses that the written account of this history was written. GOD did the initial recording by writing with HIS OWN FINGER upon the two stone tablets the Decalogue. Moses then wrote the rest of what was revealed by GOD on Sinai---which accounts for the validity of Creation. Oral testimony and GOD'S Revelation.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CG Didymus
So all the other people on the Earth except
the Hebrews forgot this?

CG D, those other people of the earth were the descendants of Noah's other two sons. This is what the Scriptures recorded post Flood and the scattering from Babel of all persons.

Rom.1:17-32---read it all. Vs. 28, "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" That wasn't just forgetting---but deliberate choice.
Everyone has that same "freedom of choice" today. The Evidence of all things Created are still present for one to see.
Also, the evil that was unleashed by disobedience is there for comparison.

Originally posted by Sincerely: GOD did the initial recording by writing with HIS OWN FINGER upon the two stone tablets the Decalogue. My response: What? God wrote it? Where are they? They must be pretty important... and heavy. Probably pretty hard to lose. Probably pretty hard to carry around. Did they have pocket stone editions?

Sincerely said this: God gave them over to a reprobate mind.
I asked: So we're all reprobates, but those that believe in Jesus? Like the Mormons, Muslims, JW's, Baha'is, Hindus and a few others? Or, are they deluded too, because they don't believe in Jesus the right way? "That wasn't just forgetting---but deliberate choice." said by Sincerely. Said by me: Once the Bible got written, how did people forget?

Why do so many people not forget the Word, but interpret it different?

 

[sincerly]

Can you read and watch this. it is embarrassing how simple this is and you still cannot get it right

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Outhouse, If you will notice, I do use that method of quoting, but not exclusively. As there are things which you do not post which I need to use from Scripture, I use another quote feature which was demonstrated on that "tutorial".

Thanks for the posting! However, Since I could only quote from what you had written, then I really would not be able to counter/debate/show where you were wrong in your assessment of the Scriptures(which these topics are concerning).

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
, it was not until Moses that the written account of this history was written..

Which is not true.

Moses has no historicity as ever existing.

Outhouse, I see personal opinion and "facepalm", but not a legitimate source to support your negation. (There was a reason given for that sentence(above) which was conveniently left off.)

 

[outhouse]

Do you even have the intellect to follow instructions?


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[sincerly]

Originally Posted by outhouse View Post
Do you even have the intellect to follow instructions?

Let me try.
What do I do next? Something like this?

Originally posted by Sincerely: GOD did the initial recording by writing with HIS OWN FINGER upon the two stone tablets the Decalogue. My response: What? God wrote it? Where are they? They must be pretty important... and heavy. Probably pretty hard to lose. Probably pretty hard to carry around. Did they have pocket stone editions?

Sincerely said this: God gave them over to a reprobate mind.
I asked: So we're all reprobates, but those that believe in Jesus? Like the Mormons, Muslims, JW's, Baha'is, Hindus and a few others? Or, are they deluded too, because they don't believe in Jesus the right way? "That wasn't just forgetting---but deliberate choice." said by Sincerely. Said by me: Once the Bible got written, how did people forget?

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
The True message of Genesis is that Mankind in general has mostly been disobedient from the "beginning".
CG D, GOD started the revealing to the first Created Humans---Adam and Eve.
They were given dominion over all that GOD had made...

They(their offspring) were to Populate the entire earth.
That Revealing of GOD and HIS Creation was orally carried/revealed from one generation to the next. as is seen in each of the "these are the generations of---". The very first was which was Gen.2:4-25, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,..." (and all things.)

The witness effect by/of the oral messages. Two or more witnesses established the validity. Num.35:30; Deut.19:15.

Since the linage of Shem was nomadic, it was not until Moses that the written account of this history was written. GOD did the initial recording by writing with HIS OWN FINGER upon the two stone tablets the Decalogue. Moses then wrote the rest of what was revealed by GOD on Sinai---which accounts for the validity of Creation. Oral testimony and GOD'S Revelation.



Originally Posted by CG Didymus
So all the other people on the Earth except
the Hebrews forgot this?[/quote]


Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
CG D, those other people of the earth were the descendants of Noah's other two sons. This is what the Scriptures recorded post Flood and the scattering from Babel of all persons.

Rom.1:17-32---read it all. Vs. 28, "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" That wasn't just forgetting---but deliberate choice.
Everyone has that same "freedom of choice" today. The Evidence of all things Created are still present for one to see.
Also, the evil that was unleashed by disobedience is there for comparison.[/quote]

CG D, you tried, But I will stay with my original post rather than your version.
Those tablets of Stone where to be placed in the Believer's hearts and mind's as seen in Jer.31:31 and Heb.8:10.
The Writings(LAW) were placed among the "storage goods" during those many years the Israelites were worshiping other gods as the scriptures revealed and was recorded.

 

[sincerly]

Do you even have the intellect to follow instructions?


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Apparently, either your reading or comprehension is faulty or needing upgrading. See my 8:05PM post.

 

[outhouse]

Apparently, either your reading or comprehension is faulty or needing upgrading. See my 8:05PM post.

Your post is one of intellect that does not understand anything about what was presented to you.

You can accomplish everything you want, ONCE YOU LEARN HOW TO USE THE TOOL

Your post is one of ignorance.

 

[Ken Brown]

Which is not true.

Moses has no historicity as ever existing.

Shalom outhouse, Yeshua BELIEVED Moses existed, and that he (Moses) even WROTE about His (Yeshua's) future death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection that He would fulfill:

Jn 1:45 Philip found Nathanael, and said to him, “We have found him, of whom Moses in the Torah, and the Prophets, wrote: Yeshua of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”

Jn 5:46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me.

Lk 24:27 Beginning with Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Lk 24:44 - 24:46 He said to them, “This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the Torah of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled.”
(45) Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures.
(46) He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,

Outhouse, why do you continue to foolishly deny what the historical Moses wrote in Numbers 19 concerning the suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection of Yeshua? Will your mind ever be "opened" to understand what is WRITTEN by Moses? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.