Genesis 2

[Thief]

Belief in God. Knowing the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. Knowing, through faith, that Genesis is the literal Word of God.

A Christian can easily say those things, but how do they really know? During your life, have you ever had wrong beliefs? If you did, what happened when you had to admit to yourself you were wrong?

When it comes to Genesis, how far do you go with believing it is historical and literal? Are parts of it symbolic? How do you know for sure?

Why did the Christian world once believe the Sun went around the Earth? Did they know it? Or, did they think it because of taking a Bible verse too literally?

Indeed.
But as we are now in the twenty first century.....
there is plenty of effort already in place that demonstrates the events of Genesis could actually happen.

I find it altogether remarkable that such text could be constructed centuries before the actual ability could be dealt to our hands!

 

[sojourner]

And this post of yours confirmed your wolfish ways.






No! We know that "kind" reproduces the same "kind". There is no production by a turtle of a human Being nor a human Being producing a turtle.





You demonstrated the "counter to Scriptures" wolf nicely.

Thanks! I thought it was a bit of genius to identify your post as such.

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When GOD created all things, they were complete, They did not need any "evolving" to another step/stage/level/etc.

And yet, we know that they do just that very thing.

You really do not understand either the theory of evolution or the mythic properties of Genesis.

Sad. Very, very sad.

 

[sojourner]

The whole key to understanding Genesis is to realize that God uses parable language in the Bible much more than people generally realize (Psalm 78:2). The Garden that he plants is really his true believers (a garden inclosed is my sister my spouse, Song of Songs 4:12). The tree in the midst of the garden is Christ. When God causes a deep sleep to come upon Adam to make Eve it is a picture of a judgement death in parables language. Adam is a picture of Jesus and Eve is a picture of the bride of Christ, the true believers. Christ endured a judgement death to cause his bride of true believers to be born again, to come into existence as his bride. Indeed, everyone always blames Adam for original sin, but 1 Titus 2:14 says, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.". Little mistakes that people make when they read the Bible as if it were literal rather than parable. Incidentally, the rivers in Genesis are the word of God, the gospel, flowing forth to give life, to water the garden.

The whole key to understanding Genesis 2 is to understand the type of literature it is. It isn't parable. It isn't history. It's mythology, lifted from earlier Sumerian myth. There is no understanding in Genesis 2 of Jesus, of the gospel, of the "bride of Christ," of the concept of being "born again," or even of "God's people." And when one superimposes later cultural myth onto it, it loses its wealth of meaning.

From your post, it's obvious that you don't understand what a parable is, nor do you understand why a mythic story cannot be parabolic; they're diametrically opposed in their intent. As beautiful as your analogy is to the simple Christian mind set, it only serves to misappropriate the creation myth and obfuscate its meaning.

 

[Thief]

The whole key to understanding Genesis 2 is to understand the type of literature it is. It isn't parable. It isn't history. It's mythology, lifted from earlier Sumerian myth. There is no understanding in Genesis 2 of Jesus, of the gospel, of the "bride of Christ," of the concept of being "born again," or even of "God's people." And when one superimposes later cultural myth onto it, it loses its wealth of meaning.

From your post, it's obvious that you don't understand what a parable is, nor do you understand why a mythic story cannot be parabolic; they're diametrically opposed in their intent. As beautiful as your analogy is to the simple Christian mind set, it only serves to misappropriate the creation myth and obfuscate its meaning.

I might agree with you!....if.....

We can then agree, someone had to be first to walk with God.
Can we call him.....Adam?

 

[sojourner]

I might agree with you!....if.....

We can then agree, someone had to be first to walk with God.
Can we call him.....Adam?

No, because it's finally not a story about individual faith; it's a story about communal metaphysics.

 

[outhouse]

The whole key to understanding Genesis is to realize that God uses parable language in the Bible much more than people generally realize (Psalm 78:2). The Garden that he plants is really his true believers (a garden inclosed is my sister my spouse, Song of Songs 4:12). The tree in the midst of the garden is Christ. When God causes a deep sleep to come upon Adam to make Eve it is a picture of a judgement death in parables language. Adam is a picture of Jesus and Eve is a picture of the bride of Christ, the true believers. Christ endured a judgement death to cause his bride of true believers to be born again, to come into existence as his bride. Indeed, everyone always blames Adam for original sin, but 1 Titus 2:14 says, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.". Little mistakes that people make when they read the Bible as if it were literal rather than parable. Incidentally, the rivers in Genesis are the word of God, the gospel, flowing forth to give life, to water the garden.

There are many parables, songs, poems, legends, stories, mythology, metaphor and allegory.

Sojourner is correct.


I might add, Genesis is a compilation of traditions to a multi cultural people, that were forced to unify beliefs during and after the exile to Babylon. At this time they also picked up quite a bit of Mesopotamian influences, which is where this mythology fatually began.

 

[outhouse]

No, because it's finally not a story about individual faith; it's a story about communal metaphysics.

First to walk with god. ??????

I think someone is stuck on a perverted literal interpretation.

People often ruin the beauty of such epic pieces of Israelite pseudohistory taking it out of context to meet their person belief.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
When GOD created all things,.

Well he did not.

Life factually evolved on this planet over billions of years.

Genesis is creation mythology, your in error, and too old to know any better, not learn anything new.

You FAIL at trying to attack the credibility of our education system.

Scripturally, GOD did.
Scientist still do not have the "Details" or the "observed evidence" for that which they claim occurred "over billions of years". They admit and you ignore.

The very existence of all things is the product of GOD'S Existence.
Again, It isn't the educational system that is a problem, but a belief that is promoted that is false.

 

[sincerly]

You really do not understand either the theory of evolution or the mythic properties of Genesis.

Sad. Very, very sad.

What is sadder is that you have neither shown by Scripture that Genesis is a myth---since all things are Real and do exist. Or that all things just suddenly appeared from no source or materials.

 

[outhouse]

Scientist still do not have the "Details" or the "observed evidence" for that which they claim occurred "over billions of years". .

Your completely ignorant to the science.

Quit repeating your ignorant statements and lack of comprehensive skills.

They factually HAVE details , and factualy have observed evidence

Stop your dishonesty

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Thief View Post
I might agree with you!....if.....
We can then agree, someone had to be first to walk with God.
Can we call him.....Adam?

No, because it's finally not a story about individual faith; it's a story about communal metaphysics.

Not only finally, but initially Genesis 1+2 is the recorded "Beginnings" "of all things seen" today. And that would include the making/creating of Mankind and the "walking and communicating with mankind".

It is concerning the "individual Faith" one has/had in the Creator GOD.
It is a recorded narrative concerning the "communal metaphysics" of the Two created persons and their progeny with that super natural BEING who Created them.---Human Beings today are those progeny of those Created Beings and "ALL THINGS DO EXIST'. Your post is from a real existing person---I hope.

 

[outhouse]

Human Beings today are those progeny of those Created Beings
.

Factually, they are not.

Humans have evolved for millions of years before Israelite mythology exited.

 

[sincerly]

There are many parables, songs, poems, legends, stories, mythology, metaphor and allegory.

Sojourner is correct.


I might add, Genesis is a compilation of traditions to a multi cultural people, that were forced to unify beliefs during and after the exile to Babylon. At this time they also picked up quite a bit of Mesopotamian influences, which is where this mythology fatually began.

While the Bible/Scriptures do contain those things as tools for understanding some principles which may seem confusing, they are in agreement with each other. The Beliefs were given by GOD from the "Beginning"---long before(about, 3540-1080 years prior) the Babylonian captivity/release.

Also, those who left were ready to comply to the Will of GOD in Repentance and submission. They had seen the error of their ways. There wasn't an assimilation of contrary "beliefs" into the truths which GOD had Given. (that is based upon mankind's assumptions).
True, as rebelliousness did re-appear, their "beliefs" changed, BUT NOT THE PRINCIPLES OF GOD.

 

[sojourner]

What is sadder is that you have neither shown by Scripture that Genesis is a myth---since all things are Real and do exist. Or that all things just suddenly appeared from no source or materials.

I don't have to do that. That's what the creation myths are: mythic literature. It's like trying to "show by scripture" that Slaughterhouse Five is a novel.

The reality of the world has no bearing on what kind of literature Genesis 1 and 2 are.

 

[outhouse]

The Beliefs were given by GOD from the "Beginning"---long before(about, 3540-1080 years prior) the Babylonian captivity/release.


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:biglaugh:


You do not have a credible leg to stand on.

You have less then zero credibility here.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Human Beings today are those progeny of those Created Beings
.

Factually, they are not.

Humans have evolved for millions of years before Israelite mythology exited.

Yes, we are. They(Adam and Eve)were our "common ancestor". They were Created about 2100-2200 years before there was an Israelite.
A collage of skulls and skeletons does NOT prove your point. There is a word for the deformation of the Skull---phagiocephaly---And that practice has a history of 4000 years; and even to today.

Comparative anatomy doesn't prove a "common ancestor" for the specimen of today.

 

[outhouse]

Stop your YEC unsubstantiated babble. No one cares. Your beliefs die with you.

Outlawed as well so we do not poison childrens minds.


If everyone in the USA believed what you do, we would be the laughing stock of the world, and revert back to primitive barabric people.

 

[sojourner]

Stop your YEC unsubstantiated babble. No one cares. Your beliefs die with you.

Outlawed as well so we do not poison childrens minds.


If everyone in the USA believed what you do, we would be the laughing stock of the world, and revert back to primitive barabric people.

Have you seen Honey Boo-Boo and Springer???

 

[sincerly]

Stop your YEC unsubstantiated babble. No one cares. Your beliefs die with you.

Outlawed as well so we do not poison childrens minds.


If everyone in the USA believed what you do, we would be the laughing stock of the world, and revert back to primitive barabric people.

The information given in Gen.1+2 is still correct. And there are billions of people who attest to this belief.

Agreed, our beliefs/whatever the subject will die with each of us. But, that doesn't mean that those "beliefs" will not be known/believed by others.

When one observes the actions/conditions of mankind with other human beings, one sees "barbaric people" today.

 

[sojourner]

The information given in Gen.1+2 is still correct.

Theologically, yes.
Metaphysically, perhaps.
Scientifically, no.

And there are billions of people who attest to this belief.

There are 2 billion Christians in the world. I'd be willing to bet that not even half of them belief Genesis literalistic ally. Therefore, there are not "'billions' of people who attest to this belief."

Has there ever been an instance where the majority was right?