Genetic Code is INFORMATION: Proof of Intelligent Design

[ArtieE]

We don't have a reason for what reason we're here and we don't have a reason
for why God does exist, but here we're, real and true.

Yepp. Here we are, real and true, but we have no evidence that God exists, real and true.

 

[ArtieE]

God can't exist naturally because no escape from the notion that this thing should always be existing, to say naturally means something brought him to existence

Not necessarily. Maybe it's just natural that something always exists. Maybe it's natural that some god(s) always exist. But until I see any good evidence that gods exist I live my life as if they don't.

 

[ArtieE]

How the properties of atoms and molecules are the reason for our existence?
Can you use their properties to create species?

What do you mean?

 

[ArtieE]

We don't have a reason for what reason we're here

Organisms evolved brains constantly looking for reasons because knowing the reasons for things increases our chances of survival. We are also looking for the reasons why the universe and we are here. But an unfortunate side effect of this quest is that some people have a pathological need for "knowing" the reasons so when we don't know the logical and rational reasons these people just invent gods as an explanation and their need for an explanation is satisfied until the real reasons are discovered. Since meteorology and seismology few believe in Thor or Poseidon for example nowadays. But since we still haven't found the ultimate explanations why the universe and us exists there's still room for belief in some god as an explanation.

 

[Zosimus]

No matter which 186-character phrase the machine came up with you could claim that there was only 8.56 x 10^347 chance that the machine could come up with that phrase right?

What if you gave the machine all the rules of grammar (like natural laws), told it to start with one random letter and continue to add random letters except those that would contradict the rules of grammar, how many sentences would you get and wouldn't your sentence be among them?

Why stop there? Why not simply provide the machine with a blueprint and let it build the creature in question.

We could call it intelligent design.

 

[Zosimus]

@Zosimus

If you think chances are low for producing the sentence

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

take a look at the chances of you existing.

http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/what-are-the-odds-you-existing-all.html

The numbers he chucks out are bull. What are his sources for any of these?

The chance that a woman under 25 will become pregnant is 96 percent. His first number of 1 in 2000 comes from where exactly?

 

[Zosimus]

Yepp. Here we are, real and true, but we have no evidence that God exists, real and true.

There's no evidence that you exist.

 

[FearGod]

Yepp. Here we are, real and true, but we have no evidence that God exists, real and true.

We're the evidence.

 

[FearGod]

Not necessarily. Maybe it's just natural that something always exists. Maybe it's natural that some god(s) always exist. But until I see any good evidence that gods exist I live my life as if they don't.

What you have is speculations, Maybe it's natural that something always exists, maybe Gods ....etc

Verse (6:116)
Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie.

 

[McBell]

We're the evidence.

Lowering your standards of evidence to that low a level renders the word evidence worthless.

 

[FearGod]

What do you mean?

Can you use the properties of the atoms and the molecules to create species,
You said their combinations in random way had resulted in new species and
it happened because of their properties.

As we know their properties then can you create species or only it can happen by randomness
and hence we can't achieve the same by research and science.

 

[FearGod]

Lowering your standards of evidence to that low a level renders the word evidence worthless.

Yes we're the evidence, but you may think it was due to the unconscious nature
or by the conscious God.

 

[McBell]

Yes we're the evidence, but you may think it was due to the unconscious nature
or by the conscious God.

What does it do to your "argument" when the exact same can be said about evolution?
I mean, we are evidence of evolution.

Let us take it a step further...
We are evidence of abiogenesis.

Like i said, lowering the standard of evidence that low renders the word worthless.

 

[FearGod]

Organisms evolved brains constantly looking for reasons because knowing the reasons for things increases our chances of survival. We are also looking for the reasons why the universe and we are here. But an unfortunate side effect of this quest is that some people have a pathological need for "knowing" the reasons so when we don't know the logical and rational reasons these people just invent gods as an explanation and their need for an explanation is satisfied until the real reasons are discovered. Since meteorology and seismology few believe in Thor or Poseidon for example nowadays. But since we still haven't found the ultimate explanations why the universe and us exists there's still room for belief in some god as an explanation.

If some invented Gods that doesn't mean there isn't one real God.

 

[FearGod]

What does it do to your "argument" when the exact same can be said about evolution?
I mean, we are evidence of evolution.

Let us take it a step further...
We are evidence of abiogenesis.

Like i said, lowering the standard of evidence that low renders the word worthless.

If you think that you, as a human being with all your body functions were due to the inanimate unconscious
matters then no one will force you not to.

 

[McBell]

If you think that you, as a human being with all your body functions were due to the inanimate unconscious
matters then no one will force you not to.

you sad attempt at appeal to emotion does nothing for those outside the choir.

 

[Vorkosigan]

Why stop there? Why not simply provide the machine with a blueprint and let it build the creature in question.

We could call it intelligent design.

Stupid design would be more accurate. What's cancer in children for?

 

[FearGod]

you sad attempt at appeal to emotion does nothing for those outside the choir.

It's an appeal to mind and not to emotion.

 

[FearGod]

Stupid design would be more accurate. What's cancer in children for?

Did you ask yourself once why not all children have cancers?
Is it just by luck that we have some children with cancers?
The nature is stupid, so if you think that humans are a bad idea and a bad design then
what force you to stay, are you happy to stay and watch such stupid things happening by the nature.

Why not to blame the cigarettes? it's confirmed to cause cancer and people are paying
money for it, even new study found out that Alzheimer's is caused by us.

 

[Shad]

What is the constant need for proof of a deity?

It is conflict between religious beliefs and evidence based beliefs along with the conflicting methods between religious education and secular education. We are taught conflicting sets of standards. Some isolate themselves from secular education and it's "standards". Other people choose to use it to bolster something they already believe in. Humans do it all the time outside of religion and god(s). It could also be an issue of ego in which one is incapable of admitting that they hold different standards based on the subject at hand.