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Genuine Question Regarding Anti-Semitism
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Pastek
Sunni muslim
What does that mean ???
Seems your post is full of hate.
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gsa
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Even setting aside how absurd, paranoid and hateful this presentation of a monolithic media is, I would point out today that five Catholic men actually run the United States Supreme Court, as in, have the power to control it. A branch of government run by older men who are members of a religion that, among other things, threatens the denial of communion and excommunication for support of federal constitutional guarantees. Strangely, the charge of dual loyalty or agenda-setting is rarely observed in that context.
Also, per Wiki at least, Peter Chernin is a Unitarian.
Of course this is incredibly ridiculous for all sorts of other reasons.
gsa
Well-Known Member
You are the worst possible advocate for the civil and human rights of Palestinians. In fact what exactly would be the point of supporting their rights, since you clearly have no regard for the rights of others, or at least Jews?
Your history is antisemitic nonsense that conveniently exculpates the powerful and assigns collective blame to a comparatively powerless minority. Your analysis of the Occupation and present day Israel is also a fantasy. And I say all of this as someone who has considerable sympathy for the Palestinians and believes that the present day situation is intolerable. I've protested American and Israeli militarism, in support of Palestinian human rights mind you, alongside Jews, all of whom defy your stereotypes. And even those who disagree are not the monsters you make them out to be. Many of them are rightly concerned about the attitudes being displayed on this very thread.
I recently started attending an ethics discussion group at a nearby synagogue and I must say, your hatred and ignorance would appear especially laughable to me right now if it were not so deadly serious.
CMike
Well-Known Member
This is an excellent analysis of the question.
Laban the Anti-Semite - Covenant & Conversation - Parsha
Laban the Anti-Semite - Covenant & Conversation - Parsha
dantech
Well-Known Member
I'm so late to this thread, but after having read everything, I only have one question for the Staff. Could we get a dislike button please, it would be used almost exclusively on @Pink Top Hat.
CMike
Well-Known Member
This is from part of the article that I posted the link to.
In her fascinating book World on Fire, Amy Chua argues that ethnic hatred will always be directed by the host society against any conspicuously successful minority. All three conditions must be present. [1] The hated group must be a minority or people will fear to attack it. [2] It must be successful or people will not envy it, merely feel contempt for it. [3] It must be conspicuous or people will not notice it. Jews tended to fit all three. That is why they were hated.
And it began with Jacob during his stay with Laban. He was a minority, outnumbered by Laban’s family. He was successful, and it was conspicuous: you could see it by looking at his flocks.
What the sages are saying in the Haggadah now becomes clear. Pharaoh was a one-time enemy of the Jews, but Laban exists, in one form or another, in age after age. The syndrome still exists today. As Amy Chua notes, Israel in the context of the Middle East is a conspicuously successful minority. It is a small country, a minority; it is successful and it is conspicuously so. Somehow, in a tiny country with few natural resources, it has outshone its neighbours. The result is envy that becomes anger that becomes hate. Where did it begin? With Laban.
Put this way, we begin to see Jacob in a new light. Jacob stands for minorities and small nations everywhere. Jacob is the refusal to let large powers crush the few, the weak, the refugee. Jacob refuses to define himself as a slave, someone else’s property. He maintains his inner dignity and freedom. He contributes to other people’s prosperity but he defeats every attempt to be exploited. Jacob is the voice that says: I too am human. I too have rights. I too am free.
If Laban is the eternal paradigm of hatred of conspicuously successful minorities, then Jacob is the eternal paradigm of the human capacity to survive the hatred of others. In this strange way Jacob becomes the voice of hope in the conversation of humankind, the living proof that hate never wins the final victory; freedom does.
Pink Top Hat
Active Member
Instead of accusing me of hatred maybe try to argue my points instead.
gsaseeker has already done it.
You were justifying hatred. There is no justification for it. It is a poison that blind us from the truth.
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ginaleanne
Member
the term antisemitism covers a wide range of people according to the definition of the word semite. In reality it would require being averted towards Arabs and Hebrews. I believe in God and have attended various Christian based faith churches and I have a problem with the fact that a certain group of people (I guess they are Jewish based on their last names) who dominate the mainstream media), now and pretty much since the beginnings of mass communication when the printing presses started running. I think they use subtle tricks to try to get Christians to question their own faith through television. How many comedies and cartoons on a daily basis make fun of Jesus? Look at what Christmas has turned into? We have advertisements for something called "Black Friday" with the song Back in Black by AC/DC playing in the background! Our news is so full of holes and lies that we probably could filter out most of it to find the truth in it, especially if its a major event. People don't really realize how much control having the monopoly over all forms of media gives this group. My opinion is that they abuse it and throw rocks and hide their hands through it in order to create strife and conflict between religious groups, nations, and governments.
Why can't the Zionist realize that they are racist. That there will never be even a small chance of any kind of real talks of peace. Until they can truly look at themselves in all honesty and see that what they do and how they treat others is unexceptionable. Does anyone really believe they want peaceful coexistence with anyone. Ahmad 99.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
That's an F. Good luck next time.
Yes only the Zionist are at fault.
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Levite
Higher and Higher
Ah, more fresh faces bringing the same old anti-Semitic vitriol. It never really gets old. "I don't hate Jews! At least, not all Jews. Just the evil, money-grubbing, world-controlling secret Zionist cabal Jews. I'm sure there must be a few out there who aren't evil, money-grubbing, world-controlling secret Zionist cabal Jews. I bet I wouldn't hate them. So, see, I'm not really anti-Semitic at all! In fact, anti-Semitism probably doesn't even really exist."
Comments like Ahmed's are why I can't have these conversations with most muslims. This question was a genuine one to which I am interested in finding out why anti-Semitism still exists, AND what can be done to put an end to it.
I have no interest in debating about whether Zionists are racist or not, as I've seen my fair share of "death to Jews" signs held by Muslims.
Think about that.
I have no interest in debating about whether Zionists are racist or not, as I've seen my fair share of "death to Jews" signs held by Muslims.
Think about that.
dantech
Well-Known Member
And then, on the other hand, you have the model citizens like Pink Top Hat.
You're likelier to have normal responses by creating a private conversation with those you think could actually contribute something.
Moishe3rd
Yehudi
Because G-d said so….
The Jews agreed to accept the Torah and become G-d’s People. And, G-d Chose the Jews to be His. However – He also promised that when the Jews obeyed G-d’s Commandments and Laws, that G-d would make the Jews a Great Nation. But…. If the Jews disobeyed G-d and His Laws and Commandments, that the Jewish Nation would be despised; dispersed; and almost destroyed….
That was the bargain we made with G-d 3,000 years ago.
And, as far as history goes, that is how it has turned out.
There is much, much more specific details in the Torah and Commentaries on how this all plays out but, the fact is that ALL of the various calamities and blessings that come to the Jews are described in G-d's Torah and Teachings.
The Jews agreed to accept the Torah and become G-d’s People. And, G-d Chose the Jews to be His. However – He also promised that when the Jews obeyed G-d’s Commandments and Laws, that G-d would make the Jews a Great Nation. But…. If the Jews disobeyed G-d and His Laws and Commandments, that the Jewish Nation would be despised; dispersed; and almost destroyed….
That was the bargain we made with G-d 3,000 years ago.
And, as far as history goes, that is how it has turned out.
There is much, much more specific details in the Torah and Commentaries on how this all plays out but, the fact is that ALL of the various calamities and blessings that come to the Jews are described in G-d's Torah and Teachings.
Moishe3rd
Yehudi
And, a more historical response:
From the earliest days of the Constantine and the Christian Roman Empire, Christians learned about the Jews in the context of how their god, Jesus, was killed by wicked Jews. In Christianity, Jews were always synonymous with Christ-killers – they were the Race of Deicides.
It begins with Book of Matthew 27:20 “And the whole people answering said: ‘His blood be upon us and our children.’”
The Book of John puts the proverbial nails in the crucifixion of the Jews when he relates the various evils that “the Jews” performed.
“… therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus because he did these things on the Sabbath.” (John 5:16)
“… The Jews then took up stones to stone him…” (John 10:31)
“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)
“The Jews insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.’” (John 19:7)
“’Here is your king,’ Pilate said to the Jews.
But they shouted, ‘Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!’” (John 19:14,15)
Apparently the early Christian theologians believed that these passages specifically meant that the Jews first rejected, and then killed Jesus. And, that the Jews were therefore cursed.
Origen, one of the most distinguished writers of the early Christian Church, wrote: “The Jews nailed Christ to the Cross.”
Cyprian, bishop of Carthage, took time to detail the crimes of the Jews in his “Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews.”
Augustine argued that Jews should be left alive and suffering as “a perpetual reminder of their murder of Christ.”
Gregory of Nyssa named the Jews “Slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, adversaries of G-d, haters of G-d … advocates of the devil, brood of vipers, slanderers… assemblies of demon… and haters of righteousness.”
John Chrysostom (347-407), flatly stated (contradicting Peter who claimed the Jews acted without knowledge) “the Jews erred, not ignorantly, but with full knowledge.”
Chrysostom’s virulent hatred of the Jews, as the Archbishop of Constantinople, along with these other Church Fathers, forever influenced the theology that became Law under the Eastern Orthodox Empire, and he, like the rest of these early Church Fathers, became a “saint.”
Amongst his many sermons castigating, excoriating, and cursing the Jews, he called them “the assassins of Christ” and named their synagogues “the refuge of devils and abyss of perdition.”
Ultimately, the “Holy Roman Emperor,” Constantine, began what became a perpetual theological condemnation of Jews and Judaism in his:
Laws of Constantinus Regarding the Jews
(It is worthwhile to state the first Law in full as this enjoyed the full Ecclesiastical weight of the Holy Roman Church and was not merely a “civil law,” but Christian doctrine.)
I. Laws of Constantine the Great, October 18, 315: Concerning Jews, Heaven-Worshippers, And Samaritans We wish to make it known to the Jews and their elders and their patriarchs that if, after the enactment of this law, any one of them dares to attack with stones or some other manifestation of anger another who has fled their dangerous sect and attached himself to the worship of God [Christianity], he must speedily be given to the flames and burn together with all his accomplices. Moreover, if any one of the population should join their abominable sect and attend their meetings, he will bear with them the deserved penalties.
Holy Roman Emperors, Theodosius II and Justinian, continued making specific Laws restricting and condemning Jews and Judaism, as did nearly every Holy Roman Emperor and later, Popes, that followed in the footsteps of these Christian “saints” who urged that Jews be scourged and hated for killing their god.
This theology was passed on to all of Christendom well into the 20th Century.
All Christians “knew” that Jews were “cursed” by G-d and it was the theological duty of greater Christendom to see that they suffered.
And, greater Christendom did exactly that.
The first recorded mob violence that I know of was in 388 CE when Christians burnt down a synagogue in Syria.
From the 5th Century onwards - Jews were regularly killed; forced to convert; their synagogues and homes burned and looted; forced to pay a “dhimmi tax” to Christians in order to both practice Judaism and/or simply not be killed; prohibited from certain occupations; not allowed to marry Christians; their books burned; expelled from various Christian kingdoms; and simply persecuted unendingly by Christians for the crime of being Jewish.
At any time, in any country, for any reason, Jews could be and were ruthlessly sought out for torture and death.
Millions of Jews died at the hands of Christians over the last 1500 years for the supposed theological crime of being Christ Killers.
With the conclusion of the Holocaust in the 20th Century, most of Christianity officially changed their theology and no longer claimed that the Jews killed their god.
Now, the Islamist Loony Tunes have picked up on Christian Hate-the-Jews theology with their own passages from their scriptures and are carrying the torch of persecuting Jews and defaming Judaism.
This was not a natural development but is descended directly from the hatreds of Naziism and Stalinism.
Before the 20th Century, the pertinent “pig” and “monkey” passages in the Koran were an embarrassment to Muslims who preferred to gloss over these issues and the famous slaughter by Mohammad of the Jews.
With the rise of both Israel and the successful Jihad of the Wahhabist Saudi Arabians, these obscure anti-Jewish passages became key quotes in Islamist and Arabist hatreds.