German politician says: Ukraine will not win this war

[shunyadragon]

Absolutely not.
I side with peace.

This does not reflect your posts in this thread.

In 1949 Chamberlain sided with peace.

 

[shunyadragon]

I have news for you.
This time we Westerners, NATO members...are an insignificant number.

We were 2 billion in 1945. Now we are 8 billion and we Westerners are a minority.

How does population majority represent justice? In 1039 Germany had the largest best equipped army in the world

The BRIICS are the majority.

Are advocating rule by the ruthless tyrants in your list by the so called majority?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The difference is that they wear a suit.

We are not cretins. He can wear all sexy military outfits in the world...we do know he sends others to fight.

I don't like to be duped by a former comedian.

Not sure what your point is. He never claimed to do any fighting himself.

Sounds like your irrational hatred is popping up again.
You don't like the guy - we get it

 

[shunyadragon]

Explain me the words of the Minister of Defense.

You still think that we are sincere, when we Italians say that we side with the sewer of warmongers that infest the EU institutions?

Italians sided with Hitler

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Explain me the words of the Minister of Defense.

Why? I feel no need to "explain" other people's opinions.

You still think that we are sincere, when we Italians say that we side with the sewer of warmongers that infest the EU institutions?

First, you're the only Italian I'm aware of who says such things
Second, whenever you speak in the name of all Italians, you just pretend as if your own opinions or universal.

So yeah...

 

[shunyadragon]

Instead of progressing...instead of advancing towards world peace and spiritual bliss...the warmongers would like to drag us backwards...
towards world war.

Yes, this is true for Putin and the other ruthless tyrants of BRICS.

Do you truly believe in any sort of naive spiritual bliss with the ruthless tyrants like Putin and the tyrants of BRICS.

 

[muhammad_isa]

They won't.

Ah .. so Putin is not a "madman" .. maybe it is US and Israel who are the irresponsible ones,
by demonstrating "how powerful" they are, by repeatedly wreaking destruction in the
middle east.

Russia is FAR MORE isolated on the international stage then they pretend to be.

I wouldn't bet on it..

 

[muhammad_isa]

Yes, this is true for Putin and the other ruthless tyrants of BRICS..

Sadly, it is becoming a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Something has to give, and I highly doubt whether it will be the BRICS alliance that fails.

The UN is repeatedly failing..

The veto power has been criticized for its controversial nature. A single country can prevent a majority of the Security Council from taking any action. For example, the United States routinely casts lone vetoes of resolutions criticizing Israel. The permanent members also veto resolutions that criticize their own actions. In 2014, Russia vetoed a resolution condemning its annexation of Crimea. Amnesty International claimed that the five permanent members had used their veto to "promote their political self interest or geopolitical interest above the interest of protecting civilians."
United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power - Wikipedia

 

[Stevicus]

Ah .. so Putin is not a "madman" .. maybe it is US and Israel who are the irresponsible ones,
by demonstrating "how powerful" they are, by repeatedly wreaking destruction in the
middle east.


I wouldn't bet on it..

I think multiple sides have been acting irresponsibly. I don't know who's a "madman" at this point, although I notice that there seems to be a general rise of madness and insanity worldwide in recent years. It's kind of a shame, as I remember earlier times when we had higher hopes for the future aspirations of humanity. I was hopeful when I saw them tearing down the Berlin Wall and thought we would be entering a new era. But...I guess not.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why? I feel no need to "explain" other people's opinions.


First, you're the only Italian I'm aware of who says such things
Second, whenever you speak in the name of all Italians, you just pretend as if your own opinions or universal.

So yeah...

May I invite you over to Rome?
So I will show you what Italians think of Mr. Zely?

I am sick and tired of not being taken seriously.

 

[shunyadragon]

Ah .. so Putin is not a "madman" .. maybe it is US and Israel who are the irresponsible ones,
by demonstrating "how powerful" they are, by repeatedly wreaking destruction in the
middle east.


I wouldn't bet on it..

As far as the Hamas war there are no angels. IT is no holds barred tribal war.

tribal war that is over a thousand years old.

 

[shunyadragon]

May I invite you over to Rome?
So I will show you what Italians think of Mr. Zely?

I am sick and tired of not being taken seriously.

I take you very seriously, Your view is very dangerous. Since you are the expert on what ALL Italians think, what to the Italians think of Putin?

 

[Estro Felino]

I take you very seriously, Your view is very dangerous. Since you are the expert on what ALL Italians think, what to the Italians think of Putin?

I wonder who funded this campaign.
I can assure you that there is a big pro-Russian component in charge.

 

[shunyadragon]

I wonder who funded this campaign.
I can assure you that there is a big pro-Russian component in charge.

Ir is possible there is some sentiment for the tyrant Putin by some in Europe. Sort of nostalgia for the good old days of Hitler and Mussolini when the trains ran on time.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ir is possible there is some sentiment for the tyrant Putin by some in Europe. Sort nostalgia for the good old days of Hitler and Mussolini when the trains ran on time.

Considering that Russia defeated Mussolini... this post of yours doesn't make any sense.

 

[shunyadragon]

Considering that Russia defeated Mussolini... this post of yours doesn't make any sense.

Russia did not defeat Mussolini, The USA and Great Britain armies did.

How a right-wing party of neo-fascist roots became poised to lead Italy

The Brothers of Italy party has won the most votes in Italy's national election.

www.pbs.org

How a right-wing party of neo-fascist roots became poised to lead Italy​

World Sep 26, 2022 12:31 PM EDT
ROME (AP) — The Brothers of Italy party, which won the most votes in Italy’s national election, has its roots in the post-World War II neo-fascist Italian Social Movement.
Keeping the movement’s most potent symbol, the tricolor flame, Giorgia Meloni has taken Brothers of Italy from a fringe far-right group to Italy’s biggest party.
READ MORE: Far-right Italian leader Meloni gaining popularity ahead of election next month
A century after Benito Mussolini’s 1922 March on Rome, which brought the fascist dictator to power, Meloni is poised to lead Italy’s first far-right-led government since World War II and Italy’s first woman premier.

How did post-fascism begin in Italy?​

The Italian Social Movement, or MSI, was founded in 1946 by Giorgio Almirante, a chief of staff in Mussolini’s last government. It drew fascist sympathizers and officials into its ranks following Italy’s role in the war, when it was allied with the Nazis and then liberated by the Allies.
Throughout the 1950-1980s, the MSI remained a small right-wing party, polling in the single digits. But historian Paul Ginsborg has noted that its mere survival in the decades after the war “served as a constant reminder of the potent appeal that authoritarianism and nationalism could still exercise among the southern students, urban poor and lower middle classes.”
The 1990s brought about a change under Gianfranco Fini, Almirante’s protege who nevertheless projected a new moderate face of the Italian right. When Fini ran for Rome mayor in 1993, he won a surprising 46.9% of the vote — not enough to win but enough to establish him as a player. Within a year, Fini had renamed the MSI the National Alliance.
It was in those years that a young Meloni, who was raised by a single mother in a Rome working-class neighborhood, first joined the MSI’s youth branch and then went onto lead the youth branch of Fini’s National Alliance.

Does that mean Meloni is a neo-fascist?​

Fini was dogged by the movement’s neo-fascist roots and his own assessment that Mussolini was the 20th century’s “greatest statesman.” He disavowed that statement, and in 2003 visited the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial in Israel. There, he described Italy’s racial laws, which restricted Jews’ rights, as part of the “absolute evil” of the war.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..I notice that there seems to be a general rise of madness and insanity worldwide in recent years..

Indeed, it's very noticeable..

I was hopeful when I saw them tearing down the Berlin Wall and thought we would be entering a new era..

I think that most of us in the west saw that in a positive light .. but maybe most of us
did not analyze what it really meant.
i.e. the eroding of balance between left and right.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Russia did not defeat Mussolini, The USA and Great Britain armies did..

You seem to have your blinkers on .. Russia was an important ally in WWII .

 

[shunyadragon]

You seem to have your blinkers on .. Russia was an important ally in WWII .

Important ally to restore Russia in the Eastern Europe, but not in Western Europe.

 

[Stevicus]

Indeed, it's very noticeable..


I think that most of us in the west saw that in a positive light .. but maybe most of us
did not analyze what it really meant.
i.e. the eroding of balance between left and right.

I think what was really revealing about it all was that the US still continued the same overall foreign policy which was formulated precisely because of the existence of the Soviet Bloc and other states deemed "communistic." That was the whole reason for the Cold War. The fall of the Berlin Wall, along with the subsequent disbanding of the Warsaw Pact and USSR, signaled the end of the Cold War. Likewise, China ostensibly gave up their communist ways and started opening their markets and doing more business with the West, which US businesses lapped up like milk served to kittens.

But the continuation of the same basic aggressive, militaristic, and interventionist policies associated with the Cold War - even though the Cold War was already over - should be taken as clear evidence that the entire basis for the Cold War was completely fraudulent all along. It was never about protecting the free world or fighting so-called "Soviet expansionism." It wasn't even really about communism, although phrases like "godless communist" were perfect for galvanizing public opinion and mobilizing the populace towards a warlike, national security state of mind.

As for the balance between left and right, it doesn't seem to exist anymore. Whatever might have existed of the left, at least in terms of Marxism, communism, socialism, and other ideas commonly associated with the left, is rather politically weak at this point. At their core, most of the conflicts and points of dissension in the world seem nationalistic in their scope.