German politician says: Ukraine will not win this war

[ImmortalFlame]

Well, Trump accelerated the demise of the UN .. his attitude towards it was dismissive overall,
as it was towards climate-change.

It is increasingly looking likely that Trump will be the next President once more for many
reasons, which suits Israel/Zionists just fine.

..and Trump does not have a great love of NATO either.

The point is that you use the existence of BRICS as evidence of Russia's willingness to compromise and negotiate, while dismissing wholesale the existence of the UN and NATO. If they're irrelevant to whether or not the USA has a willingness to compromise or negotiate, why does the existence of BRICS indicate a willingness of Russia - a state who have REPEATEDLY INVADED THEIR NEIGHBOURS - to compromise and negotiate?

If they were interested in compromise and negotiation, then why didn't they do that before they started killing people?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Actions that serve western interests can still be good or bad depending on individual circumstances.

Yes, of course..

I think this is fair, but I would still argue it's not the subject or the field in which to make this point, as it serves to partially - if unintentionally - to justify or excuse the actions of Russia.

I am not attempting to justify Russia's actions, I'm trying to understand them.
I doubt very much that the west or Russia are in favour of a nuclear exchange .. or of a prolonged
war.

I think the US has significant hegemonic power, and am in favour of it using that power for actions I deem to be worthy and good, and I believe defending Ukraine against an imperialist aggressor is worthy and good. This doesn't mean I approve of the US having this power, nor does it mean I approve when they use that power in ways I don't deem worthy and good.

I think the vast majority of the population of the world understand this.

I think they do, yes.
..but the insistence of concentrating on Russia's 'evil' attack, and not trying to understand why, is
not going to contribute towards a political solution.

I understand why Israel attacked Gaza .. but again, if one does not think about pre Oct 7, it
is disingenuous.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The point is that you use the existence of BRICS as evidence of Russia's willingness to compromise and negotiate, while dismissing wholesale the existence of the UN and NATO.

No, I'm not. I see that the German leader has met India's leader today, and they have discussed
Ukraine. I commend such moves.

If they're irrelevant to whether or not the USA has a willingness to compromise or negotiate, why does the existence of BRICS indicate a willingness of Russia - a state who have REPEATEDLY INVADED THEIR NEIGHBOURS - to compromise and negotiate?

It is not a matter of "indicating a willingness" .. it is a case of the global south standing against
the G7 / the west. It is not that I particularly like it, but I recognize its significance.
The UN is paralysed, in both conflicts it would appear.

..and as I say, if Trump gets back into office, the international community realizes there is
need of an alternative world order.
It is very sad, and disastrous in my opinion.

If they were interested in compromise and negotiation, then why didn't they do that before they started killing people?

What? If? If?
We need to solve the world's problems and go forward, not throw blame around and increase hostility.

 

[Flankerl]

lmao page 13 and the Russkiy Mir emerging outlook nonsense continues.

like bro Russia had to invade Ukraine bro, there were like no NATO soldiers in it, but you know any day it would've happened even though it still hasn't happened

Meanwhile Russia is bringing literally the North Korean army to Ukraine.
Let's hope that is the switch for a proper intervention to bomb the Russian army out of existence.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Let's hope that is the switch for a proper intervention to bomb the Russian army out of existence.

That's absurd. Do you want Russia to "press the nuclear button" ?
I certainly don't .. and of course, Russia has allies .. powerful allies.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's absurd. Do you want Russia to "press the nuclear button" ?
I certainly don't .. and of course, Russia has allies .. powerful allies.

Instead of progressing...instead of advancing towards world peace and spiritual bliss...the warmongers would like to drag us backwards...
towards world war.

 

[Flankerl]

Ah the nuclear button.

"Don't send ATGMs and MANPADS to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send supplies to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send MRAPs to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send AA systems to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send Soviet style tanks to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send armoured vehicles to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send western tanks to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send F-16s to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens

But you know this time it's going to be so different.
The second they do that St Petersburg and Moscow have an early sunrise, just like we do.
So why worry?
If it happens we all die, so what? That's not scary. It'll be over in a blink of an eye.

If you want to scare me threaten us with biological and chemical weapons.
Not something that I see for a second and then kills me.


As far as its powerful allies are concerned, who?
The PRC?
If the PRC goes in on the war in Ukraine on Russia's side it loses its entire western customer base in an instant.
Japan, South Korea and ROC would be propped up indefinitely.

It would also ruin the lives of the Princelings of the CCP.
And the entire system of the PRC exists to serve them.

Apart from that Russia has no powerful allies.



But here you have it folks, Russia is so strong guys, just stop resisting, but also don't help the victim being attacked, they'll be super mad and nuke us all.

This time for real though, big pinky promise.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ah the nuclear button.

"Don't send ATGMs and MANPADS to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send supplies to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send MRAPs to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send AA systems to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send Soviet style tanks to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send armoured vehicles to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send western tanks to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens
"Don't send F-16s to Ukraine or we'll nuke you"
- nothing happens

But you know this time it's going to be so different.
The second they do that St Petersburg and Moscow have an early sunrise, just like we do.
So why worry?
If it happens we all die, so what? That's not scary. It'll be over in a blink of an eye.

If you want to scare me threaten us with biological and chemical weapons.
Not something that I see for a second and then kills me.


As far as its powerful allies are concerned, who?
The PRC?
If the PRC goes in on the war in Ukraine on Russia's side it loses its entire western customer base in an instant.
Japan, South Korea and ROC would be propped up indefinitely.

It would also ruin the lives of the Princelings of the CCP.
And the entire system of the PRC exists to serve them.

Apart from that Russia has no powerful allies.



But here you have it folks, Russia is so strong guys, just stop resisting, but also don't help the victim being attacked, they'll be super mad and nuke us all.

This time for real though, big pinky promise.

In the meantime...so many Ukrainian soldiers die,..while Mr Zely with his sexy green sweatshirts won't go to fight himself...
and demands that his citizens go fight a stupid war on his behalf.

Infinite arrogance.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

He's the Minister of DEFENSE.

So?

If the minister of defense thinks Ukraine can't win, neither do Italian citizens.
So why should Italians support this endless war if it's a lost cause?

Because it's the right thing to do. And because it's not a lost cause.

 

[Estro Felino]

So?


Because it's the right thing to do. And because it's not a lost cause.

It is a lost cause.

"Only fools can think Ukraine could defeat Russia".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That's absurd. Do you want Russia to "press the nuclear button" ?

They won't.

I certainly don't .. and of course, Russia has allies .. powerful allies.

At least, they like to pretend they do.
Russia has far less allies then they like to pretend they do.
China isn't really an ally. China is very opportunistic. They'ld turn Russia into a Chinese province in a heartbeat if the opportunity presented itself.

There is a reason why Russia is using north korean ammunition (half of which don't even explode) and soldiers instead of Chinese ones.


Russia is FAR MORE isolated on the international stage then they pretend to be.
It's all smoke and mirrors. The world has just witnessed who the infamous russian army is just a joke instead of the powerful army russia likes to pretend it is.
As for their nukes.... it remains to be seen how many of them actually work.......................

Nukes require LOADS of maintenance. They have more nukes then the US and their maintenance budget is only a fraction of that of the US. And as is well known, about half of the budgets allocated to russian military actually simply disappear in corrupt official's pockets (which is one of the reasons why the army is in such a bad state). So chances are quite high that of all the nukes they have, only a fraction is actually operational.

But nevertheless.... They won't be using them. Guaranteed.
Not only would it be suicide due to instant retaliation, it would also anger China and India, their supposed "allies and partners" greatly, who have repeatedly warned that using nukes is a very clear red line that they don't want to see crossed.

I'll call the Russia nuke bluff any day of the week.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Instead of progressing...instead of advancing towards world peace and spiritual bliss...the warmongers would like to drag us backwards...
towards world war.

Why don't you complain about Russia bringing in North Korean soldiers, using the same logic?
Talking about escalation and getting more countries involved................................

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In the meantime...so many Ukrainian soldiers die,..while Mr Zely with his sexy green sweatshirts won't go to fight himself...

Yea, because Putin, Peskov, Medvedev, etc are all on the front lines and not hiding out in bunkers at all. Uhu.

and demands that his citizens go fight a stupid war on his behalf.

Infinite arrogance.

Infinity hypocrisy and irony from your part

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It is a lost cause.

"Only fools can think Ukraine could defeat Russia".

Your record seems broken

 

[Estro Felino]

Yea, because Putin, Peskov, Medvedev, etc are all on the front lines and not hiding out in bunkers at all. Uhu.

The difference is that they wear a suit.

We are not cretins. He can wear all sexy military outfits in the world...we do know he sends others to fight.

Infinity hypocrisy and irony from your part

I don't like to be duped by a former comedian.

 

[shunyadragon]

It's not only BSW and AfD who think Zelenskyy has zero chances to win.

The other politicians think so too...but don't say it openly.

Sure, in 1949 Chamberlain and many others believed no one could defeat Hitler and advocated appeasement and compromise with a ruthless tyrant to give up half or Europe and ignore the holocaust.

All the Putin lovers including Trump today take the same approach.

 

[Estro Felino]

Your record seems broken

Explain me the words of the Minister of Defense.

You still think that we are sincere, when we Italians say that we side with the sewer of warmongers that infest the EU institutions?

 

[Estro Felino]

Sure, in 1949 Chamberlain and many others believed no one could defeat Hitler and advocated appeasement and compromise with a ruthless tyrant to give up half or Europe and ignore the holocaust.

All the Putin lovers including Trump today take the same approach.

I have news for you.
This time we Westerners, NATO members...are an insignificant number.

We were 2 billion in 1945. Now we are 8 billion and we Westerners are a minority.

The BRIICS are the majority.

 

[shunyadragon]

The difference is that they wear a suit.

We are not cretins. He can wear all sexy military outfits in the world...we do know he sends others to fight.

I don't like to be duped by a former comedian.

You prefer to be dupped by a ruthless tyrant Putin.

 

[Estro Felino]

You prefer to be duped by a ruthless tyrant Putin.

Absolutely not.
I side with peace.