Giddy up! More on the Bible in public schools

[Revoltingest]

More Christian nationalist compulsory indoctrination.

One area where many the left & the right have
common ground is that the Constitution is an
aged irrelevant body of law in our age.
The left loathes the 2nd Amendment.
The right loathes the 1st Amendment.
Each has advocated pursuing what is popular
among them, the Constitution be damned.

 

[Regiomontanus]

The US is a part of western civilization, no doubt.

But the US is one of the first secular nations. Secular meaning no state/official religion.

True, but that was not my question.

 

[Viker]

Art, law, literature, language, etc.?

Are you going to deny that the Bible was used to justify slavery and the genocide of indigenous populations?

 

[Regiomontanus]

More Christian nationalist compulsory indoctrination.

“one of the most foundational documents used for the Constitution and the birth of our country.” Lie. Prove it.

The Bible, you shall have no other gods, idols, etc.

The Constitution, go ahead and freely practice your religion.

Couldn't be more contradictory.

One does not have to be a 'Christian Nationalist' to appreciate the foundational importance of the Bible on western civilization. This is basic history. I find it astounding how the hatred of Christians has blinded so many here on significant, positive (snd yes, negative), influence the Bible has had on the west.

 

[Revoltingest]

Art, law, literature, language, etc.?

Teach only things that Christians think are positive about Christianity?

 

[Viker]

One area where many the left & the right have
common ground is that the Constitution is an
aged irrelevant body of law in our age.
The left loathes the 2nd Amendment.
The right loathes the 1st Amendment.
Each has advocated pursuing what is popular
among them, the Constitution be damned.

I'm on the left side of the isle. I support the whole of the Constitution.

I don't believe the 2nd or the 1st a free for all. American citizens shouldn't be permitted things like nuclear weapons, anti-aircraft missiles, human sacrifice, etc.

But practicing their religion and owning a revolver, heck yeah.

 

[ChristineM]

It had no significant impact on the development of western, say, European, civilization?

Well religious wars always have an impact don't they?

 

[Revoltingest]

Exactly. This Christian nationalist movement has never been about religious freedom, historical documents or anything resembling the truth.

It's really nothing more than trying to advance
their version of Christianity, & impose it upon
both their own, & the heathen.

 

[Viker]

True, but that was not my question.

In a way I have answered your question. The Bible was used to justify inhumanities throughout the course of the development of western civilization.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

One does not have to be a 'Christian Nationalist' to appreciate the foundational importance of the Bible on western civilization.

Of course. So, for example, we have the Crusades, the Edict of Expulsion, the Religious Wars, the pogroms, the ...

 

[tytlyf]

Imagine paying tax dollars to have a religion forced down your throat

 

[Revoltingest]

Imagine paying tax dollars to force a religion down your throat.

As a Christian explained it to me once....
Christianity isn't a religion. It's reality.
It's the truth. All else is wrong & wicked.

 

[McBell]

Really, you think the Bible has had no significant impact on the development of western civ? Wow

I assume English is not your first language?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Sorry, i thought disagreeing that any faith should be kept out of education was my answer to your question. But it you want specifics, I don't think Christianity is important to western civilization, on the contrary, given the bad blood between different sects of Christianity (and religious wars) Christianity has been a scourge.

That's a good point and exactly what kind of Bible? A Catholic Bible? A Protestant Bible?


Now that would be fine in the charter/ parochial school, but in the public school?

I don't think it's going to work too well and all the attention will be focused on various Christian sects bickering over what kind of Bible needs to be in the schools, and good Lord!

The negligence that would cause to the students, addressing the reason why they would be in the school in the first place, and that is to learn Reading Writing Arithmetic along with other things necessary to get a good start in society.

 

[Viker]

As a Christian explained it to me once....
Christianity isn't a religion. It's reality.
It's the truth. All else is wrong & wicked.

That person was clinically insane. Because Hinduism is reality, the truth and all else is wrong and wicked.

Or is it Pastafarianism. Maybe Scientology. Satanism? Somebody.

 

[Revoltingest]

That person was clinically insane. Because Hinduism is reality, the truth and all else is wrong and wicked.

Or is it Pastafarianism. Maybe Scientology. Satanism? Somebody.

Bokononism.

 

[Pogo]

“It’s crystal clear to us that in the Oklahoma academic standards under Title 70 on multiple occasions, the Bible is a necessary historical document to teach our kids about the history of this country, to have a complete understanding of Western civilization, to have an understanding of the basis of our legal system,” Walters said."

Do you disagree as to the importance of the Christian faith in the development of western civilization?

(Constitutional issues aside)

The faith itself no, that Christians and their self-justified actions have been a part of western history is already taught and doesn't need a Bible in the classroom any more than it needs a Quran. As to the rest of it, it only demonstrates just how poor his schooling in the history of law is.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Teach only things that Christians think are positive about Christianity?

You are deflecting. The question was did the Bible and Christianity in general have any significant influence on the development of western civilization? I am not talking about teaching anything (note: I never said that I agree with this latest development).

 

[Kathryn]

I just want our schools to teach the basics, INCLUDING stuff like banking, how to fill out a tax return, etc.

 

[Balthazzar]

It's one thing to display the 10 commandments as a historical document and as accepted laws that prevent jail time (No murder, no stealing specifically) and as a way to increase peaceful relations with our neighbors, and it's quite another to expect strict compliance to bible teaching in our schools. While I agree with Louisiana, I disagree with Oklahoma. The other attached with the 10 ensure us that if we don't murder, don't steal, don't screw around, don't tempt ourselves to theft, that it won't be in vain. They also, ensure us that we won't be required to create idols of worship, that we are guaranteed a day of rest, and that we shouldn't convert, because we uphold the premise that our upbringing should be honored, which means we should honor others upbringing also, given they deem their parents worthy of that honor. If not, I'm fairly sure the doors are open to learn our faith.

This action, to me, is an abuse and unjust. I understand Louisianna law makers, however.