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Giving up drinking

Sutekh

Priest of Odin
Premium Member
I don't know what that first sentence is even saying lol.




See my issue is I like getting really drunk to a certain point.


(Another note) That is a sign of addiction where you just enjoy the effects from it. My dad had a drinking problem for a bit also but after that he would not touch alcohol with a ten foot pole. As I have said on my other post I would recommend an alternative instead of getting drunk.
 
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Wirey

Fartist
No one likes a quitter. Drink more, and more frequently, until you learn how to handle it. And remember, tattoos are a good idea at 1:00 in the morning.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If you are an alcoholic then you do need help.
Except she has not indicated or suggested she is an alcoholic. Rather, questioning if she should quit drinking altogether given a possible question as to her ability to determine if she will be able to learn her limits given she doesn't drink often. I use to not see the point of drinking just to have a drink and not get buzzed, and I use to not know how to pace myself and learn how to work with my body so I don't go overboard and feel terrible the next day. It's actually something that most drinkers learn about, and it's good to know if someone enjoys the high of a drug.
Let me give you a few alternatives, from what I have heard Mandi is you enjoy to alter your state of consciousness from the use of drinking am I correct? The best alternative is to DROP THE DRINKING. My best advice is take a walk somewhere in the meadows or the woods or at least somewhere where you can be isolated and alone. Or at least listen to music, music always alters your imagination and going for a walk helps you to think in your own imaginative state. My advice is get help and get rid of your habits. If you really are into drinking and cannot control your problems then I would advise you to throw away every ounce of alcohol and to take a break from it.
Except none of those things are mind altering. If with her stated habits, she doesn't have a problem with or a habit from it. You're acting like she says she drinks every day. It's not getting rid of alcohol that she needs, but learning moderation and her limits, which is something most drinkers figure out on their own after they reach a certain point of where they don't like what the effects do them. Saying talking a walk in an isolated area to achieve such a state is comparing those boxes that simulate a roller coaster and shake you around a bit to the real thing - or the "hurrican simulators" or the "tornado simulator" where you stand in a stall and you're blasted with controlled and sustained gust of air (at speeds that aren't really that bad for either, although some tree tops may get blown down) to simulate what it's like to go through the real thing. You can get a mind altering state from being in a forest, but compare it to the other, no. It just doesn't work.
See my issue is I like getting really drunk to a certain point. To the point where I can still walk, but everything is fuzzy and I feel like the room is rotating somewhat and I've lost some of my depth perception.
What you'll want to do then is either do a given number of shots of hard liquor within a short time frame (back-to-back works best), or suck down some **** you up drinks like Long Island Tea (rum, tequila, triple sec, gin, and vodka). The faster you get it down, the less overall you'll need, the faster it will hit you, and it doesn't take much to re-up the buzz, which doesn't last as long as had you paced yourself out some more and drank more, but it's much easier to control, especially if you haven't drank enough to reach your desired level (going over either way there isn't much you can do to help yourself there). It's best to start out small, and give it roughly a half hour before deciding if you need more or not. And then throw back some more (but no more, or half depending on your buzz is something to keep in mind). And before too long you'll know about how many "doses" you can expect out of a bottle.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
YOU posted this here which is a RED FLAG that you are in deep doo-doo with
alcohol.
Good that you DID post it here.
I had my first taste at age 15 with beer in a hick joint in W.Va.
My cousin was home on leave from the Army and bought me beer in a bar that
didn't give a hoot how old I was.
I LOVED the feeling!
Alcoholism rages in the men on my fathers side of the gene pool
Drinking killed my dad, contributed to my mother's death.
I got out of inpatient rehab just a week or so ago where I learned I was diabetic.
Had my neighbors not taken my unconscious butt to a rehab hospital I would
surely have died of complications from diabetes I didn't know I had.
I MUST attend A.A. meetings EVERY evening to maintain sobriety or DIE.
I'm sure my alcoholism resulted in a damaged pancreas that caused my diabetes.
Drink = DEAD.
STILL I WANT THE STUFF!
It's now a battle against addiction, life versus a shameful, unnecessary, death.
Fear of death will NOT defeat the addiction. Attending A.A., being honest, trusting
sober people in recovery MIGHT help me avoid an alcoholic death.
Praying to a Higher Power of my understanding is essential to recovery on
a daily basis.
Addiction is horrible.
I was in rehab with so many young men and women fighting heroin addiction.
I learned heroin is EVERYWHERE and available and cheaper than ever.
Heroin addicts very often relapse and die.
What a waste of our youth.
I have taught my precious 15 year old to NOT EVER TOUCH the chit!
I pray he listens.
My 44 year old son is in prison and should be released to me this summer.
He was convicted of FORTY home burglaries to support his drug habit.
He started out drinking at age 15!
Lucky he's out in only 4 years!
He is in recovery in the joint and doing well. He wants to be released to me now
that he knows I completed rehab myself and WE can support one another in
recovery.
What an opportunity to bond deeply with my son in recovery.
I hide NOTHING about my family addiction.
The truth is what it is.
Perhaps these true stories might inspire another to seek help and avoid
the penalties of addtiction.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
YOU posted this here which is a RED FLAG that you are in deep doo-doo with
alcohol.
Just because she posted it doesn't mean she has a problem with it. Liking to get high doesn't mean you have a problem. Binge drinking a "few times" isn't a problem, nor is "irregular drinking." All three of those apply to me, at times I do worry that I may have made an *** of myself. But life goes on, there are no problems, but the occasional enjoyment of being high. She's not displaying any signs of alcohol dependency, yet people are here calling her an addict!
(Another note) That is a sign of addiction where you just enjoy the effects from it.
Enjoying the effects tends to be the reason people use most drugs. Many people enjoy the effects of alcohol, so they get a buzz every once in awhile. People enjoy being perked up by caffeine, so they drink it. Some people just like smoking pot because they like the way that feels, and they have no signs of addiction. Shrooms, LSD, even the occasional use of cocaine, just because it's enjoyed, does not suggest addiction. I enjoy the effects of speed, but I haven't had any in years. But it's something I enjoy, albeit the lack of usage.
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You know, I put this in the food section for a reason. To me this is no different than anyone liking anything else. I literally eat pizza more often then I drink by about a factor of 3 or 4. I don't see a damn person claiming I'm addicted to Pizza (other than myself) even though there are actually scientific articles proving that the cheese has a chemically addictive component

I don't know why some people think I drink a lot. All I can figure is they are confusing personality traits for something else. I am 110% telling the truth when I say that I drink only 1-4 times a month, usually 2-3 times on average.

The fact is the reason I decided to quit is because drunk me has a hard time controlling herself and says embarrassing things. That's the #1 reason at the end of the day. If I really have a problem, I can't imagine how bad it is for pizza.

Except she has not indicated or suggested she is an alcoholic. Rather, questioning if she should quit drinking altogether given a possible question as to her ability to determine if she will be able to learn her limits given she doesn't drink often.

Exactly. When I used to drink a little more regularly (usually once a week, sometimes not for 2 weeks but also sometimes twice a week) back in the Fall (for reference I started to experiment with drinking almost a year ago) I was able to better know my limit and control myself. It was only when I waited more than a week (usually 2) it was much harder to control myself because of my lack of familiarity with it.

I didn't like feeling that way that often though so I cut back. to where I am now usually only drinking 2 or 3 times a month. Now I think it might just be best to just not binge drink anymore.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Exactly. When I used to drink a little more regularly (usually once a week, sometimes not for 2 weeks but also sometimes twice a week) back in the Fall (for reference I started to experiment with drinking almost a year ago) I was able to better know my limit and control myself. It was only when I waited more than a week (usually 2) it was much harder to control myself because of my lack of familiarity with it.
With increased and regular use, your body's tolerance level increases. Myself, I'll get a bottle (a fifth), drink about half one night half the when I drink next. I get drunk maybe once, sometimes twice a month.
I didn't like feeling that way that often though so I cut back. to where I am now usually only drinking 2 or 3 times a month. Now I think it might just be best to just not binge drink anymore.
You probably shouldn't doubt yourself. Learning your limits and being able to stay with them are a part of responsible use, especially if you are going to be a social drinker. My advice is to also stop before the world starts spinning. It's typical for pretty much anyone who drinks to eventually reach a "I'm tired of feeling like this" stage (I apologize if you are older than I'm guessing), so they learn their limits, learn to drink in moderation, and learn how achieve a good buzz without the bad effects of overdoing it.
As far as health goes it technically is best to never binge drink (but healthiest to have a serving or two a day a few times a week), but the occasional over indulgence isn't really that bad.
If I had to guess, I would say the newness of the experience is wearing off, and the realization of too much of a good thing is settling in. But most people who drink to excess reach this point, they don't like having a hang over, they realize they get stupid after drinking so much, so they set limits and stick to them. It's everyone's own personal decision, but myself, I promote the strength to say no or no more because you are strong enough to moderate yourself, rather than saying no out of obligation (except health, which as another issue) or a perceived weakness.
But, regardless, it's a sign of being mature and responsible with your drug use when can admit you don't like something about it, you can (and do) cut back usage, and are even mentioning things like limits and moderation.
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
With increased and regular use, your body's tolerance level increases. Myself, I'll get a bottle (a fifth), drink about half one night half the when I drink next. I get drunk maybe once, sometimes twice a month.

You probably shouldn't doubt yourself. Learning your limits and being able to stay with them are a part of responsible use, especially if you are going to be a social drinker. My advice is to also stop before the world starts spinning. It's typical for pretty much anyone who drinks to eventually reach a "I'm tired of feeling like this" stage (I apologize if you are older than I'm guessing), so they learn their limits, learn to drink in moderation, and learn how achieve a good buzz without the bad effects of overdoing it.
As far as health goes it technically is best to never binge drink (but healthiest to have a serving or two a day a few times a week), but the occasional over indulgence isn't really that bad.
If I had to guess, I would say the newness of the experience is wearing off, and the realization of too much of a good thing is settling in. But most people who drink to excess reach this point, they don't like having a hang over, they realize they get stupid after drinking so much, so they set limits and stick to them. It's everyone's own personal decision, but myself, I promote the strength to say no or no more because you are strong enough to moderate yourself, rather than saying no out of obligation (except health, which as another issue) or a perceived weakness.
But, regardless, it's a sign of being mature and responsible with your drug use when can admit you don't like something about it, you can (and do) cut back usage, and are even mentioning things like limits and moderation.

Ya, I think that actually helps me a lot more. When people guilt me it just kind of messes with me a bit'.

I think as you said I've come to the stage where I'm done experimenting with it all and know what if anything it has to offer me. I've been thinking about it and decided that my best course of action is to not drink, but if I do, limit it to social drinking if I feel it would help me socialize, 2 drinks per time max. That seems the best for a nice calm feeling with a meal too, a nice buzz without one (but I find it very unsatisfying to drink beer without any food).

I don't think that's unreasonable as alcohol (by making me more bold to at least try) has actually opened up some doors socially and helped me make a few connections I'm benefiting from now. I'm anxious and awkward in general and I think that's why it helped.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I don't think that's unreasonable as alcohol (by making me more bold to at least try) has actually opened up some doors socially and helped me make a few connections I'm benefiting from now. I'm anxious and awkward in general and I think that's why it helped.
That's pretty much the same situation I'm in. Alcohol definitely makes it easier for me to socialize, and more comfortable in unfamiliar groups. And I talk a lot more when I'm drunk. They do make meds to help with social anxieties, but I find it to be more enjoyable socializing to enjoy the drinks with everyone, drink enough to make me comfortable, and say "no" when I need to (based on a number of things, such as if I am driving or have a DD) and give myself plenty of time to not be drunk by the time I have to drive). I was at one concert where I had to drive, but I cut myself off hours before I had to go, and placed a strict limit on myself. I was at another, had a DD, people buying my drinks for me, so I sipped on enough long island teas that I even braved the mosh pits.
I also used to smoke as a means to socialize. I switched to an e-cig many years ago, which still lets me have the social benefits of smoking (and nicotine), but without all the junk of cigarettes.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
From decades of experience:
I've NEVER met an addict that could EVER use responsibly.

Not saying regular users of substances are addicts.


Bear in mind that I'm in recovery and all people I deal with are/were addicts.
Heroin users seem to become addicted to smack quickly, some after first use.
Heroin addiction is very hard to break.
What "drug" kills more addicts?
Alcohol by far.
NO ONE dies just from heroin withdrawal though the sufferer might think so.
Drug OVERDOSE is another issue and does kill.
1 in 4 addicted to alcohol and without medical care WILL DIE from sudden withdrawal.
The reason for the high rate of death due to untreated alcohol is that the
blood pressure spikes causing a massive, fatal, stroke.
Of course that is extreme but alcoholism is an extreme disease that requires
medical treatment then regular attendance of A.A. support group meetings.
Often daily as in my case, at least for the immediate future.
I stayed "dry" for 13 years without support but the addiction caught up with me.
I'm 69 years old now and my body/brain won't take much more if any more!
There are few 70 year old's that make it new into recovery.
Why?
They die before that.
I'm diabetic. Consuming alcohol WILL KILL ME.
Still, two days ago my addicted mind said I could by a 5th. So I DID!
Drank it too!
My blood sugar went sky high. I called my sponsor and made a recovery meeting,
asked for and got support.
Sober today. That's good enough.
"One day at a time."
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
From decades of experience:
I've NEVER met an addict that could EVER use responsibly.
And she's not an addict, but people keep telling her she is and bringing it up. This thread isn't about addiction, but learning limits. It's not about someone who abuses the drug, but plenty of people projecting that onto her.
What "drug" kills more addicts?
Alcohol by far.
Not by a long shot. Tobacco, which is very addictive, kills more people than alcohol, illegal drugs, and prescription drugs combined. I would also argue prescription opiates are far more problematic, because many people downplay the risks because it's not an "illegal" drug and it was prescribed by a doctor so they assume addiction and risks are minimal because it's "ok because a doctor told me to take it."
NO ONE dies just from heroin withdrawal though the sufferer might think so.
Actually heroin withdrawal can potentially be fatal.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Thank you Shadow.
Yes, tobacco IS a drug and one we often forget. It's deadly and likely kills more
people that most realize.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/tobacco-nicotine

DEADLY and still rather socially accepted.

People in drug and alcohol recovery SMOKE!
Not in meeting rooms any longer but outside.
Many recovery meetings are held in Church's as most religious organizations support those
that wish to be free of drug and alcohol addiction.
Noble for sure.
Most Church's tolerate smoking outside the buildings.
I'm sure the thinking is "one addiction at a time" and the person in recovery isn't a threat
to others on the roadways.
I've never heard of a driver being arrested for smoking cigarettes while driving.
I'm not minimizing the dangers of nicotine addiction.
I "get that".
 
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GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
Part of me is tired of getting more drunk than I should and saying dumb things that I'm embarrassed about later. But another part says nah, just drink less and get more self control when incredibly drunk. I'm starting to think that given how irregularly I drink, I won't be able to ever adjust and get that self control just because I'm so unused to it. So maybe I should just stop entirely since it's hard for me to know when to stop drinking once I'm intoxicated. Opinions?
What makes you think that you can get more self-control? It's not a question of getting used to alcohol, because reducing self-control is one of the things that alcohol does! I'd suggest finding exactly how many drinks you can have without becoming intoxicated and sticking to that limit. If you can't do that, that's a sign you need to stop. Many people can stick within their limits, some can't.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Part of me is tired of getting more drunk than I should and saying dumb things that I'm embarrassed about later.

But another part says nah, just drink less and get more self control when incredibly drunk.

I'm starting to think that given how irregularly I drink, I won't be able to ever adjust and get that self control just because I'm so unused to it. So maybe I should just stop entirely since it's hard for me to know when to stop drinking once I'm intoxicated.

Opinions?

Once one is intoxicated, it's hard for one to know when to stop. Because.........well you're intoxicated, what do you expect?
Leading up to the point of intoxication is a good way to learn to judge limits. Get the buzz going, but do it slowly throughout the night. And slow down once you've hit it.

Find out your limitations and stay within them. Since you've not indicated that you're an alcoholic or even a functional alcoholic, I don't think it's an insurmountable mountain to climb. Just because you drink doesn't mean you don't have self control or can't learn to have some.
And really I drink irregularly, my tolerance has actually increased over the years. Having said that, I tend to mix my own, instead of having standard (and highly overpriced!) drinks so perhaps that's why.
 
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jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Being a genetic alcohol (runs in the family) and one who drank too much, too often,
I can't have even ONE drink.
Just one will kick in the addiction.
I've read a LOT on addiction and have been in treatment.
The first thing affected by alcohol (everyone) is the ability to reason.
That's why so many people, addicted or not, will drive under the influence.
The mind says " I'm o.k. to drive. I haven't had that much."
"It's perfectly o.k. to proposition my bosses wife at the office party."
A joke:
There is an holiday party. A married man is drunk and propositions his bosses wife.
The next day the wife tells the hung over hubby that he propositioned his
bosses wife and made an *** of himself.
The boss fired the man on the spot.
The wife tells the hubby his boss fired him.
Hung over hubby says "oh, screw him."
The wife says " I did that. You go back to work Monday with a raise.":eek::eek:
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'm sorry everyone i didn't quit.

But I've not gotten stupidly drunk either so... not really binge drinking anymore either.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Part of me is tired of getting more drunk than I should and saying dumb things that I'm embarrassed about later.

But another part says nah, just drink less and get more self control when incredibly drunk.

I'm starting to think that given how irregularly I drink, I won't be able to ever adjust and get that self control just because I'm so unused to it. So maybe I should just stop entirely since it's hard for me to know when to stop drinking once I'm intoxicated.

Opinions?
yeah......if you don't know where your 'off' button is......
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Stop drinking. You can do it. Drink turmeric mixed with cold water, over and over again and vomit it up. It works.
 
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