Global Warming | Fact or Fiction?

[Trey of Diamonds]

No, they will hire militias and hunters of their own... much like the warlords have done in Congo and Haiti. They won't try to live a subsistence life, they will try to keep power (and access to goods) by force.

I can see them trying this but with very limited success. It's possible some kind of feudal system could arise but I see everything collapsing in on itself instead. But its all just guess work at this point.

After the fall, can my band of hunters be friends with your band? :tribal:

 

[painted wolf]

I can see them trying this but with very limited success. It's possible some kind of feudal system could arise but I see everything collapsing in on itself instead. But its all just guess work at this point.

I don't see it as being very sustainable... but I can see it doing a lot of damage in the mean time.
And I don't really see it as being feudal so much as gangland/militia situation. Lots of people with guns trying to convince other people with guns to things their way.

After the fall, can my band of hunters be friends with your band? :tribal:

Absolutely... but we will be more of a semi-agrarian band. :camp:

wa:do

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

And I don't really see it as being feudal so much as gangland/militia situation. Lots of people with guns trying to convince other people with guns to things their way.

Yeah, that's how it will start. If any of them have any brains they'll enslave the farmers and bingo, you have a feudal system. If they don't think of that sooner rather than later you'll end up with nothing but a bunch of cannibles eating each other out of existance.

Absolutely... but we will be more of a semi-agrarian band. :camp:

wa:do

Cool but I'm better at hunting and fishing rather than growing. I do know how to do it all though. I was raised country.

 

[painted wolf]

Yeah, that's how it will start. If any of them have any brains they'll enslave the farmers and bingo, you have a feudal system. If they don't think of that sooner rather than later you'll end up with nothing but a bunch of cannibles eating each other out of existance.

Or we could transition smoothly into a new low carbon society... or a technological hail mary could save us all.

Cool but I'm better at hunting and fishing rather than growing. I do know how to do it all though. I was raised country.

I'm more of a grower... though I do know how to fish. My father was rather old fashioned and girls don't play with guns.
Still, it's a skill I hope to someday acquire.... though with bows.

wa:do

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Or we could transition smoothly into a new low carbon society... or a technological hail mary could save us all.

Anything could happen.

I'm more of a grower... though I do know how to fish. My father was rather old fashioned and girls don't play with guns.
Still, it's a skill I hope to someday acquire.... though with bows.

I have knowledge in hunting with dogs and the raising and training of hunting dogs so I think I'll be fairly valuable. Killing things with guns is easy enough, I've done it enough to know how. But knowing what a rabbit is going to do according to the sound of the dogs baying, now that's a skill. I can set snares too but I've never had to actually rely on them for food. I know a few tricks for fishing too, like creating a natural funnel and herding fish into it. The old ways are going to be the new ways soon enough.

As for growing things, I'd have to hope my books are good enough to get me through. I know the basics but don't have much experience with it.

I think our two tribes might get along pretty well. I'm thinking of making all the men in mine where kilts, just for the fun of it. Hope you don't mind men in skirts.

 

[painted wolf]

I have knowledge in hunting with dogs and the raising and training of hunting dogs so I think I'll be fairly valuable. Killing things with guns is easy enough, I've done it enough to know how. But knowing what a rabbit is going to do according to the sound of the dogs baying, now that's a skill. I can set snares too but I've never had to actually rely on them for food. I know a few tricks for fishing too, like creating a natural funnel and herding fish into it. The old ways are going to be the new ways soon enough.

We are working on blending the best practices of the old and the new... permaculture with passive solar greenhouses. Passive solar greenhouses can extend the growing season for cold hardy crops like kale into December and we know someone who tweaked his design to incorporate simple geothermal to extend his growing into January. Leaving him with only one month without growing potential.

All without any electricity or chemicals being put into the system.

As for growing things, I'd have to hope my books are good enough to get me through. I know the basics but don't have much experience with it.

You can also seek local small farms and nonprofits that teach sustainable agriculture. Often they have workshops and classes to help people get some hands on experience.

I think our two tribes might get along pretty well. I'm thinking of making all the men in mine where kilts, just for the fun of it. Hope you don't mind men in skirts.

LoL... heavens no! New Hampshire is home to the largest Highland Games festival in the North East.
Here is our state tartan (don't worry, we won't force you to wear it.)

wa:do

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

LoL... heavens no! New Hampshire is home to the largest Highland Games festival in the North East.
Here is our state tartan (don't worry, we won't force you to wear it.)

wa:do

I actually prefer the American version of the Kilt.

Although I do have some Scots in me, the MacNab clan. Our tartan.

As for growing things, I'm thinking of doing some next spring now that I have some free yard space. We'll see how it goes.

 

[painted wolf]

cool...

I highly recommend this series for tips on how to grow intensively in small areas. She also has tips for storing your harvest and how to add animals like chickens to your small urban farm.
Home and Garden TV | Organic Vegetable Gardening for the City Garden

wa:do

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

cool...

I highly recommend this series for tips on how to grow intensively in small areas. She also has tips for storing your harvest and how to add animals like chickens to your small urban farm.
Home and Garden TV | Organic Vegetable Gardening for the City Garden

wa:do

Cool, it's bookmarked.

 

[painted wolf]

Cool, it's bookmarked.

Enjoy!

Someday we hope to be able to buy a little land and start a combination of that intensive gardening and longer term low input gardening like edible forest gardening and permaculture. Possibly even aquaponics.

My spouse and I are really interested in urban food security for the poor.

wa:do

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Enjoy!

Someday we hope to be able to buy a little land and start a combination of that intensive gardening and longer term low input gardening like edible forest gardening and permaculture. Possibly even aquaponics.

My spouse and I are really interested in urban food security for the poor.

wa:do

If you decide to go commune let me know. I'd consider a commune with the right selection of people.

 

[work in progress]

I just don't think its that bad. I can see us going the way of the dodo but not all life on Earth. I think the planets tougher than that. Just an opinion though.

The problem with an assumption that the biosphere will survive is that there has to be enough plants, animals and bacteria to maintain a self-regulating biosphere....and no one is certain what that level is which would be needed to keep the Earth from becoming too hot to sustain life.

A fascinating point from Gaia Theory that I wasn't aware of previously: the Earth would become too hot to support life if gaia/or the biosphere wasn't self-regulating. What this meant in the early stages in the history of life on Earth was that the first living organisms had to maximize the greenhouse effect 3.5 or 4 billion years ago, because as the Earth's surface was cooling, the Sun was only giving off about 70% of it's present energy. This meant that liquid water would soon freeze and make life much less abundant and likely to vanish. So, those early archaea bacteria changed the atmosphere to produce more methane and less CO2....methane being at least 25% as potent a greenhouse gas, this strong greenhouse effect kept most of the oceans from icing over...most of the time! There are likely several times when the planet turned into Snowball Earth, and things grew dormant for awhile until the next thaw.

About 2 billion years ago, the Sun was pumping out enough energy so that the Earth was in a Goldilocks Zone -- where energy from the Sun was just right for maintaining liquid water without any need to regulate the atmosphere. As a conjecture, James Lovelock speculates that the catastrophe and mass extinction that resulted from the first oxygen-producing bacteria, did not doom all life because no regulating was required.

But, since that time, as the Sun has grown increasingly stronger, the Earth's biosphere has to work to reduce CO2 levels when they get too high, to prevent a runaway greenhouse effect. This has occurred several times from long periods of vulcanism -- especially during the periods when the Earth's continental plates are either splitting apart or crashing into each other. A long period of excessive volcanic activity -- such as 250 million years ago -- kills off a lot of plant and animal life, straining the capacity of the biosphere to get CO2 and methane levels back down to manageable levels and allow life to flourish again.

But the present Anthropocene Age is the first time in the planet's history that one of its organisms has managed to destroy the balance at rates of increase that were unprecedented in Earth history. And, we still have our foot on the gas pedal -- if you've noticed the shredding of any efforts to reduce CO2 emissions at Durban, in spite of the new reports that we are actually increasing carbon production....and, ofcourse, there is also clear evidence that we have set positive feedback cycles in motion -- especially in the Arctic -- which will keep adding more CO2 and methane to the atmosphere for years to come....even if we're all dead!

The question of whether the biosphere will be able to recover from all of the impacts we have had on it is still up in the air. The Sun is putting more pressure on the planet, and a living biosphere will have to work even harder to remove all of the greenhouse gases added over the next 100,000 years or so....and if there is not enough life to regenerate a biosphere strong enough to scrub the atmosphere, then the Earth will end up as a dead planet.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

The Sun is putting more pressure on the planet, and a living biosphere will have to work even harder to remove all of the greenhouse gases added over the next 100,000 years or so....and if there is not enough life to regenerate a biosphere strong enough to scrub the atmosphere, then the Earth will end up as a dead planet.

That's an inevitability, regardless.

 

[4consideration]

Anything could happen.



I have knowledge in hunting with dogs and the raising and training of hunting dogs so I think I'll be fairly valuable. Killing things with guns is easy enough, I've done it enough to know how. But knowing what a rabbit is going to do according to the sound of the dogs baying, now that's a skill. I can set snares too but I've never had to actually rely on them for food. I know a few tricks for fishing too, like creating a natural funnel and herding fish into it. The old ways are going to be the new ways soon enough.

As for growing things, I'd have to hope my books are good enough to get me through. I know the basics but don't have much experience with it.

I think our two tribes might get along pretty well. I'm thinking of making all the men in mine where kilts, just for the fun of it. Hope you don't mind men in skirts.

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Hey, Trey!

Can we join your tribe? My husband would love to be required to wear a kilt.

I have conducted a throrough research project on my ability to grow vegatables, and I have come to the conclusion that I am without skill or talent in that area. I am a great cook, though! At least my husband thinks so.

 

[work in progress]

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Hey, Trey!

Can we join your tribe? My husband would love to be required to wear a kilt.

I have conducted a throrough research project on my ability to grow vegatables, and I have come to the conclusion that I am without skill or talent in that area. I am a great cook, though! At least my husband thinks so.

Kilts alone would keep me from joining!

 

[work in progress]

That's an inevitability, regardless.

All things are inevitable. Eventually the Sun will turn into a red giant star and swallow the Earth. And the Universe itself has a time limit before it disintegrates. But it would be nice if this little experiment in complex life could continue and spread to terraform other dead planets.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

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Hey, Trey!

Can we join your tribe? My husband would love to be required to wear a kilt.

I have conducted a throrough research project on my ability to grow vegatables, and I have come to the conclusion that I am without skill or talent in that area. I am a great cook, though! At least my husband thinks so.

Consider yourself a member!

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Kilts alone would keep me from joining!

Prude. I suppose you could be that crotchity old man who wears black socks with sandles.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

All things are inevitable. Eventually the Sun will turn into a red giant star and swallow the Earth. And the Universe itself has a time limit before it disintegrates. But it would be nice if this little experiment in complex life could continue and spread to terraform other dead planets.

Unless, of course, in the long run, the universe is better off without human beings.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Unless, of course, in the long run, the universe is better off without human beings.

Assuming that the universe even knows we exist.