Global Warming?

[Vinayaka]

I only hope so. Do not mean to rant but we are running out of time if we want to have a world for our children's children. We can change things but we need to work together globally to protect us from our worst enemy. ourselves.

Forty years ago, and I was there, some people were going really nuts over the idea we were running out of oil. Since 1990 Germany has switched from 3% renewable to 35% renewable. So I take the 'wait and see' . Doesn't mean I don't do the bit I can do, like drive a really small car.

 

[Vinayaka]

But will the Yanks do anything about the nuclear mess they created as climate change takes it's effect, or does Trump etc just pray "God bless America and God damn the rest of the world" with hand on heart?
US nuclear waste dump in the Pacific, threatened by rising seas, is leaking

Trump won't be in forever.

 

[Thief]

Trump won't be in forever.

four more years

 

[Bear Wild]

four more years

Now that is terrifying!

 

[Vinayaka]

four more years

Wait and see. I'm no prophet.

 

[Mitty]

Sorry for our mess. As one of those Yanks I can only apologize for the mess we have created. Oh and also very sorry for our current leader or anti leader we have. There are some of use trying hard to influence others to take responsibility but there is a strange anti-science atmosphere permeating around the us. Only hoping for change in November. Love the wine, beer, birds and still see Irwin as a hero from down under.

With a bit of luck you'll have your first future female POTUS soon. But alas the virus will probably bankrupt the private zoo the Irwin's run near Brisbane

 

[Bear Wild]

With a bit of luck you'll have your first future female POTUS soon. But alas the virus will probably bankrupt the private zoo the Irwin's run near Brisbane

Maybe but his spirit still inspired so many of us on the other side of the world. I can only hope they will continue.

 

[Mitty]

Maybe but his spirit still inspired so many of us on the other side of the world. I can only hope they will continue.

They're certainly resilient. Terri Irwin set to 'prepare a sit-down TV special to save Australia Zoo' | Daily Mail Online

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's a lack of belief in God that causes all of those things.

Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a causal factor in denying the very real problems that result from our way of life and the pollution that comes with it. So no.

I guess we are at an impasse. All meaningful discussion has ceased.

There wasn't any meaningfull discussion in the first place.
All you have is denial, a head stuck in the sand and a bible to "defend" this willfull ignorance of yours.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Have you read the research from scientists who don't believe GW as it is being presented to the masses? Dogmatism is a two way street, you know.

No. For several reasons:

1. I'm not qualified to review such papers

2. for the same reason I don't bother creationist nonsense

Now, have you read about how such "research" is pushed and paid for, not by independent scientific institutions or universities, but rather by people and lobby groups who work for, or have monetary connections to, the oil industry?

The facts are clear.

Co2 is a known and proven greenhouse gas.
And for the past 100 years, human civilisation has been FLOODING massive amounts of it into the atmosphere.

Open your eyes.

Think it through.

What happens when you MASSIVELY dump extreme amounts of a greenhouse gas into the atmosphere of a planet?


Here's a nice side-fact for you to ponder about....
Exxon is one of those companies that funds the "research" to "show" that it's not due to human activity. That in and of itself, btw, already raises all kinds of red flags - because the answers are set before even asking the question. It's like painting the bullseye around the arrow.

Anyhow, in an investigation documents have shown that Exxon people already knew about the inevitable consequences of massively burning fossil fuels. And yet, they spend countless amounts of money to deny it publicly (like funding "research" to show the opposite).

Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago

They found that the company’s knowledge of climate change dates back to July 1977, when its senior scientist James Black delivered a sobering message on the topic. “In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon’s management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees—a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today.

They KNEW and KNOW this.

They are lying to you and you are swallowing it up like a sheep without a mind of its own.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Seriously? There's nobody out their who is afraid of GW? You are talking out of emotion, not reality. You just want to argue for arguments sake.

I'm not arguing.
I'm telling you.

The science is clear and conclusive. Even the oil industry itself knows, and is doing it's very best to confuse the public and publicly denying it, just to keep the money flowing and to hell with the consequences.

And people like you are swallowing up those lies.

Again, numbers don't lie:

Massive dumping of a greenhouse gas into an atmosphere = the planet heats up. And if that happens on a planet with a relatively delicate eco-system, climate change with devastating results is the only possible outcome. It affects ocean currents, weather etc. Which in turn has dramatic effects on the various eco-systems on the planet. It leads to massive extinction and a reshaping of the planet as a whole.


It will not end will for most species currently alive. The first steps of massive extinction have already been taken and the process is accelerating.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Are you talking about me or you? It seems to fit you much more than myself.

No, I'm definatly talking about you.

Your comment literally implied that you don't care about the hardship future generations will have to face because of how we do things today, and you defend that with "as long as I can have a smile on my face and a worry free life".

If that isn't a selfish state of mind, then I don't know what is.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

This reminds me of the verse that says they wouldn't believe even if one rose from the dead.

That is not an answer to the question.

Shall we conclude from this that you don't know of such scientists?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Any comment on the OP?

Still not an answer to the question.
Which scientists were you referring to?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Although it is warming, I'm not sure if we can predict disaster as much as some folks want to believe. In some cases, (like here) the warming means more agricultural diversity, and more food.

And here in belgium it meant the opposite last year. A record breaking failure of crops due to heat and not enough water.

With larger surface area of water, there is more rain. Rising water levels for high population cities is a concern, but the Netherlands solved that problem centuries ago. I don't know. Wait and see.

How about we don't "wait and see" and act before earth's eco-systems are completely destroyed as a direct result of rising global tempurature.

You seem to have no idea how intricatly linked all parameters of climate are.
A rising global tempurature will eventual affect ocean currents (it already is doing that to an extent).

Do you have any idea how important the ocean currents are to all kinds of eco-systems, and how other eco-systems are intricatly linked to these affected eco-systems? Massive extinction will follow if the change in those currents becomes to big. It's inevitable.

It's like a house of cards. You can't just pull a card from the base and expect the house to stay up.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I only hope so. Do not mean to rant but we are running out of time if we want to have a world for our children's children. We can change things but we need to work together globally to protect us from our worst enemy. ourselves.

Whatever we do, we already have crossed a point of no return to a certain extent. At this time, the only thing we can do is damage control and try and prevent for it to go completely out of hand.

So either way, our grand-grand-grand children will curse us. Worst case scenario, there won't be any grand-grand-grand children

 

[Vinayaka]

And here in belgium it meant the opposite last year. A record breaking failure of crops due to heat and not enough water.




How about we don't "wait and see" and act before earth's eco-systems are completely destroyed as a direct result of rising global tempurature.

You seem to have no idea how intricatly linked all parameters of climate are.
A rising global tempurature will eventual affect ocean currents (it already is doing that to an extent).

Do you have any idea how important the ocean currents are to all kinds of eco-systems, and how other eco-systems are intricatly linked to these affected eco-systems? Massive extinction will follow if the change in those currents becomes to big. It's inevitable.

It's like a house of cards. You can't just pull a card from the base and expect the house to stay up.

By 'wait and see' I didn't mean to do nothing. What I meant was that the effects are unpredictable over the long term. It could be far worse that it is now, as well. People make predictions, as if they were fact.

 

[BilliardsBall]

God made a promise to Noah right after the flood abated.

Gen 8:22,

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
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I don't see climate change there. No need to fear, God is here!

Well played. There are also promises that the Jews will cease to exist if the sun and moon stop giving us light, promises that Israel would be revived as a Jewish nation, that earthquakes and pandemics will increase in frequency and intensity, etc.

 

[rrobs]

So what is your evidence that the writer of Genesis was a research scientist and not just a fantasy writer?

I have no evidence that the writer was a scientists because he wasn't a scientist.

As far as a fantasy, that is up to each individual to decide. But even as a fantasy, few have much understanding of the real story. Most go by what they've heard about the scriptures instead of doing honest, open minded research on their own. Even Snow White, a fantasy extraordinaire, tells a definite story. Usually people that seriously discuss the meaning of Snow White have actually read and studied it.

To answer your question as to how we got the scriptures:

2Pet 1:21,

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.​

 

[rrobs]

I've read, or watched videos and debates and by quite a few of these dissenters. Most have an obvious bias, a religiousor industry affiliation, work in fringe disciplines, use faulty data or simply misrepresent the facts.
They're constantly being debunked by real experts.

No bias there. Just write 'em all off as not being real experts. Case closed.