God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[CG Didymus]

Whether I agree with it or not does not matter. I accept it as a Baha'i Law.

So if you were a Jew 3000 years ago, you would unquestioningly have followed all the 613 laws of God? If a Muslim woman 1000 years ago, you would have followed all the laws of the Quran?

 

[Trailblazer]

How can you tell without learning something about those religions? Mormonism? Fake or real? Sikhism? Started by a conman or a prophet of God? Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? The Mahdi or not? Sri Sathya Sai Baba? Conman or for real? Paul, the apostle? True or a fake? Jesus? Did he fake rising from the dead? What "Jesus" his real name? Krishna? An incarnation of Vishnu or a myth?

All I have to refer to is the Baha'i Faith to know about these religions.

And then back to the ones you believe are for real. Why Adam? Why Noah? Why even Krishna? We don't know anything real about them.

Because they are validated by the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, that's why.

So why make them "manifestations" of God? Only because Baha'u'llah said so.

That's right, because I believe that Baha'u'llah was infallible..

Did Jesus say so? He never made Adam, Noah or Krishna "manifestations".

I am not a Christian so I do not go by what Jesus said. There has been more than one update from God since Jesus spoke.

Still, you won't make a thorough study. You reject them based on what the Baha'i Faith teaches you.

That's right, because I cannot know more than a Manifestation of God.

Sure, you don't have time or the desire to do the "homework", who does? But, you are the one saying that you can tell which ones are conmen.

It is not my homework because Baha'u'llah gave me no such homework assignment.

I know who the true Messengers are so I know that any of them who was not a true Messenger of God was a con-man. That is not difficult.

 

[Trailblazer]

Okay, what do you call the thing that you are doing?

I call it answering posts.

 

[CG Didymus]

No, they have not been disproven. Give it up for lost.

This is what he's talking about. "Give it up"?

Prove god started evolution.

Prove there is life on every planet.

So don't try and scientifically study evolution? Don't search for life on other planets? And if we find just one without "creatures" on it, then your prophet made a false statement. So maybe we better let it go. We wouldn't want to contradict him.

 

[Trailblazer]

So if you were a Jew 3000 years ago, you would unquestioningly have followed all the 613 laws of God? If a Muslim woman 1000 years ago, you would have followed all the laws of the Quran?

I suppose that if I was a faithful Jew or Muslim I would try to follow the laws revealed in the scriptures.

 

[CG Didymus]

I call it answering posts.

With what explanations? Claims? Proof? Nothing?

 

[Trailblazer]

How long did God tell the Jews to keep his laws? Until the next manifestation came and updated them or did he say "forever"? Correct answer "forever".

I'd need to see the verses. They could have been easily misinterpreted.

Great, God misled his people. But God is not inconsistent with what he tells his people? And, if he does tell people different things as absolute true that aren't, that is not a flaw?

No, people misinterpreted the scriptures.

Of course it is, but Baha'is wiggle out of it by saying people changed the message. But, if people can change the message God sent... isn't that a flaw?

It is a flaw in the people who misinterpreted the scriptures.

 

[Trailblazer]

With what explanations? Claims? Proof? Nothing?

With whatever I know.

 

[CG Didymus]

I suppose that if I was a faithful Jew or Muslim I would try to follow the laws revealed in the scriptures.

Yes, because you'd trust that you were being told that those laws were given by God. You'd believe that God spoke to Moses and the an angel spoke to Muhammad. But did all those laws really sound like they came from God? Today, we'd question some of them... like don't do any work on the Sabbath. If people did do something that could be seen as doing "work" they could be killed. A girl had to have a guy check to see if she was a virgin before she got married, if she wasn't, she could be stoned to death. Then there is the animal sacrifices. Do these laws really sound like they came from God or from the religious leaders of the culture?

 

[Trailblazer]

Again, Baha'is find a way to have it both ways. Bible? Not literal. Bible characters? Oh yes, they were real.

The Bible characters were real if Baha'u'llah or Abdu'l-Baha said they were real.

It really helps to have the latest Revelation from God. Otherwise we are lost.

Daniel Chapter 12: 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[Trailblazer]

But did all those laws really sound like they came from God? Today, we'd question some of them...

We question them today because they are outdated and now we have new laws that apply to the current age.

 

[CG Didymus]

I'd need to see the verses. They could have been easily misinterpreted.

From "The Law of God is Forever"

Exodus 31:16
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

The Hebrew word translated as “perpetual” in Exodus 31:16 is the same Hebrew word translated as “everlasting” in Genesis 9:16 (referring to the flood) and Jeremiah 32:40 (referring to the New Covenant).

I have faith that God won’t abolish the new covenant because I know when God says, “everlasting covenant”, he means it. I don’t see how others can have the same faith.

Here are just a small percentage of scriptures that clearly state that the law is forever...​

Okay, he gives a list of verses here. Show me how the Jews misinterpreted them. By the way, it might be easier to see how Christians did it.

 

[CG Didymus]

With whatever I know.

And that wouldn't be an "explanation"?

 

[CG Didymus]

The Bible characters were real if Baha'u'llah or Abdu'l-Baha said they were real.

It really helps to have the latest Revelation from God. Otherwise we are lost.

Daniel Chapter 12: 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

That's why I keep asking if a Jew should have converted to Christianity instead of letting himself be tortured to death during the Inquisition. For that Jew, the latest "revelation" from God was from Jesus. But was it true? Original Sin, Satan, the resurrection, Jesus and the Trinity? How could the Jew agree to any of that?

 

[CG Didymus]

We question them today because they are outdated and now we have new laws that apply to the current age.

Yes, but I question whether they ever came from God.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I have thought about it and read about it for 50 years. That is how BELIEVE it is not BS.

Whether I agree with it or not does not matter. I accept it as a Baha'i Law. WITHOUT QUESTION BECAUSE I LOST THE ABILITY TO QUESTION.

Edited to make it correct.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, they have not been disproven. Give it up for lost.

So every thing that hasn't been proven is God's doing until science proves it's not.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I may want peace, but your Allah does not want it. That is why he is confusing the whole world by sending one messenger after another, sometimes without much gap or no gap between them (He sent Mirza 18 years after your Iranian preacher).

I have only found, when I have read a Message, that a Messenger proven they have given from God, that the Message shows us good advice on how to find peace. I have also found the same message records the results of what happens to us when we choose not to follow that goos advice.

I see a True Messenger has suffered greatly from the men of the time, men that decided their way was better than what God had offerd via the Messenger. So that is actually a sign of a True Messenger. Sad but true.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

And that wouldn't be an "explanation"?

Yes, I am explaining what I believe.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's why I keep asking if a Jew should have converted to Christianity instead of letting himself be tortured to death during the Inquisition. For that Jew, the latest "revelation" from God was from Jesus. But was it true? Original Sin, Satan, the resurrection, Jesus and the Trinity? How could the Jew agree to any of that?

It was true that for the Jews living during the Dispensation of Jesus, the latest "revelation" from God was from Jesus, so as Baha'u'llah said, the Jews should have recognized Jesus; but the doctrines of the Church such as Original Sin, Satan, the resurrection, and the Trinity were not true so a Jew would not want to agree to any of that.