God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I also believe in evolution, but God set that process in motion.

When I say God created us I mean God gave us a soul during the process of evolution.

Which part of evolution did a god set in motion?

I believe there's nothing called a soul, the brain dies, we die.

You may believe differently so say "I believe .........".

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

• To know and love God and to serve God by serving others.

• To acquire the spiritual qualities we will need after we die physically and pass to the spiritual world.

So we can do what I just mentioned above.

We are born because our parents had sex.
From then on it's down to the individual, family, community, environment etc where they go to.
There is no "after we die". Or so I believe because it's not proven.

Animals do not have free will. They have a will to choose but they cannot make moral choices like humans can.
Animals operate mainly upon their instincts.

So animals have a will, is it free is down to individual circumstances. Do your cats only act on their instincts? I know me dogs don't.

 

[Trailblazer]

He said, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.” Exact words said by God.

Excuse me while I stop laughing. Those are not any words of God. They are the words of men who wrote the Bible. Aside from that, Genesis was written to apply to 6,000 years ago, when there was a need to populate the earth. that need no longer exists as we face overpopulation.

Did not say 'serve and love him'. Who added this? Any thing wrong with sex? How can we multiply without sex, fill the earth and subdue it without sex?

Jesus added it. Sex is okay if one does not live for it and behaves within the parameters of the Law, if one has a religion.

Where is this the other world - 'spiritual'? Who has seen it? Why do you believe in such imaginary things?

Those who have died have seen it. You'll have to wait.

 

[Aupmanyav]

In that way what your Iranian preacher said was also from a man. In what way what he said differs from what anyone else says?
If only those who have died seen it, then how do you know about it?

 

[Trailblazer]

You can't shape my side of the debate. Include the conmen because they create so much confusion and tragedy.

Which makes it great for conmen. I can see why you want to drop them.

Con-men have no bearing on true Messengers of God, not anymore than junky cars in a junkyard have any bearing on cars in the new car lot down the street. God enjoined us with the responsibility of discerning who the true Messengers are. Jesus told us how to do that.

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: FRUIT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

 

[Trailblazer]

Which part of evolution did a god set in motion?

I believe there's nothing called a soul, the brain dies, we die.

You may believe differently so say "I believe .........".

I believe God set everything in motion.

I believe we all have a soul that lives on after the body dies.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Excuse me while I stop laughing. Those are not any words of God. They are the words of men who wrote the Bible. Aside from that, Genesis was written to apply to 6,000 years ago, when there was a need to populate the earth. that need no longer exists as we face overpopulation.

Like all the messengers from god.

Jesus added it. Sex is okay if one does not live for it and behaves within the parameters of the Law, if one has a religion.

Who said one has to live for it?

Those who have died have seen it. You'll have to wait.

Has anyone spoken to the dead and got it from what people wrote? Picking and choosing what written words are right.

 

[Trailblazer]

We are born because our parents had sex.
From then on it's down to the individual, family, community, environment etc where they go to.

I agree.

There is no "after we die". Or so I believe because it's not proven.

I do not believe the afterlife has to be proven on order to exist.
A spiritual world cannot be proven from a physical world vantage point.

So animals have a will, is it free is down to individual circumstances. Do your cats only act on their instincts? I know me dogs don't.

I believe my cats act mostly on instincts although there is more to it because I believe they have thoughts and feelings.

 

[Trailblazer]

If only those who have died seen it, then how do you know about it?

Those spirits who have died communicate to mediums who write books.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Con-men have no bearing on true Messengers of God, not anymore than junky cars in a junkyard have any bearing on cars in the new car lot down the street. God enjoined us with the responsibility of discerning who the true Messengers are. Jesus told us how to do that.

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: FRUIT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fruitI can see the cars in a junkyard and new car lot. I can't see any god.

Now you're quoting words from 2,000 years ago. You picking and choosing what fits allows me to pick what fits my side. The story about fruit picking is great for farmers!!!!

 

[Trailblazer]

Has anyone spoken to the dead and got it from what people wrote?

Mediums have spoken to the dead.

The Afterlife Revealed

Private Dowding

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I do not believe the afterlife has to be proven on order to exist.
A spiritual world cannot be proven from a physical world vantage point.

Great for conmen.

I believe my cats act mostly on instincts although there is more to it because I believe they have thoughts and feelings.

Would that include free will sometimes?

 

[Trailblazer]

I can see the cars in a junkyard and new car lot. I can't see any god.

But you can see the Messengers of God.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Those spirits who have died communicate to mediums who write books.

Now you believe in mediums!!!!

 

[Trailblazer]

Would that include free will sometimes?

No, I do not believe that animals have free will as I believe it, but we do not want to bring the Baha'i beliefs into this discussion.

 

[Trailblazer]

Now you believe in mediums!!!!

I believe that some of them are able to communicate with the dead, but not all of them are on the up and up.

It is kind of like Messengers, some are phonies and some are real.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Mediums have spoken to the dead.

The Afterlife Revealed

Private Dowding

I can quote as many books saying after the brain dies we effectively die. Because a dead heart can be made to keep beating.

Still your faith in what men believed 1,000s of years ago is reassuring.

 

[Spirit of Light]

What are you saying no to?

Sex isn't pleasurable.
Anal sex isn't pleasurable for many.

Sex is important to some, not to me.
Anal sex is not something i would never do.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

But you can see the Messengers of God.

But I can't tell if they are conmen.

So I look at what they say and judge. They all come up short.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Sex is important to some, not to me.
Anal sex is not something i would never do.

At 70and frail after cancer, loss of kidneys, heart attack it's no longer important to me. But as a teen, it was very important because of the hormones raging inside me.

My wife and previous girlfriends enjoyed anal sex.

Nice to know you set standards for us based on what you like.

Off to have my supper.