God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[Trailblazer]

And yet God has given me a wealth of true spiritual understandings, while you got NOTHING.

Why is that?

You are free to believe that you got something if you want to but I will never believe it.
I believe that I got everything and you got nothing.

 

[night912]

It is precisely because He is God that He is not going to do what humans want Him to do.

But that's not what the comment was about. You said how, and even gave an example for how God could've done it. So no excuses.

Omnipotent means God is All-Powerful, but any logical person could figure out that a God that is All-Powerful does not do anything He does not WANT to do, because He does not have to. Rather, God only does what He chooses to do, period.

Wrong. A logical person would not make an irrelevant excuse. Omnipotent means God is All-Powerful, so a logical person knows that he could whatever that's logically possible. God choosing to do something or not is irrelevant, it's got nothing to do with what he can or cannot do.

God could not care less how many people it reaches, it is a human

I'll accept that as an explanation for purposely choosing a flawed method of communication. God doesn't care about humanity, so he not an omnibenevolent. Thanks for being honest and admitting that it's God's fault for not communicating his message poorly. So why would anyone want to worship a god who blames and punished humanity for not getting his message through to everyone, eventhough it's clearly his fault.

Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[Trailblazer]

You got NOTHING and you know it, that's why you cannot even TRY to debate the issues I presented.

I got everything that there is to get, which is everything that God has revealed for this age...
What is there to debate?

 

[Trailblazer]

- You are underestimating your Allah / God. It would take him 1 / 15000 of a second to write 15,000 tablets. Is your Allah not all powerful? You are putting limits to what Allah can do.

Allah cannot write Tablets because Allah is Spirit, not flesh.
This is logic 101 stuff.

 

[CG Didymus]

Only in your eyes.

You're the one, again, that makes a claim, that when first revealed the message was pristine, but you are clueless to when that was. So what is "only" in my eyes? That you continually throw out your opinions and can't back them up? It would be great if the Baha'i Faith was the truth, but there are too many loose ends and too many pieces of the puzzle missing, and you aren't helping in trying to tie those things together or to find those missing pieces.

 

[CG Didymus]

I only care about Baha'u'llah's peace plan because I believe it is the solution. I am a Baha'i, not a Hindu.

And what is it that your are doing with the peace plan? How are Baha'is putting the plan into action? I'd imagine some Baha'is are, but what about the rest of them? Oh, and the Dalai Lama is Buddhist. Too bad that you only care about your peace plan. So I guess you can't complain when others don't care about the Baha'i Faith or its peace plan. Or do some Baha'is do care about others in the other religions and are willing to try and work together with them to make the world better? Or is it the "Baha'i way or the highway"?

The Dalai Lama, the exiled religious and political leader of Tibet, is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in recognition of his nonviolent campaign to end the Chinese domination of Tibet.​

 

[CG Didymus]

There is one God but God's truth is limitless. The spiritual truths are eternal but mankind needs more than those to survive and thrive on planet earth. That is why God sends new Messengers with a new message in every age.

“The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 213

Judaism had over 600 laws from God. What were the new social laws that Jesus brought?

 

[CG Didymus]

But for some strange reason the fact that all those of the older religions not caring or understanding the beliefs of others and making only their beliefs out to be the truth is not a problem for you. I guess you cannot understand that is a double standard.

You are the Baha'i. Are Baha'is supposed to be bringing the religions and all people together as one? I can't believe you say things like "you cannot understand". Your religion is failing to bring peace and understanding to the world, because too many Baha'is don't know and, like you, don't care to know what other people think and believe. So don't ever complain about Born-Again Christians... Way too many Baha'is are no better. By the way they talk and interact with others, they seem to believe their religions is the "only" way.

 

[rational experiences]

If a human asked as a conscious self, who expresses the messages about God?

A human would quote a human does.

Hence, is the human self flawed in delivering messages should be the real question asked and answered.

The answer is yes the human is flawed for the human pretended it owned the knowledge in science theisms about the history/presence of creation in space.

If you asked a baby to child to adult thinker, why you do not personally believe in a God deity overseeing life, is because your own Father and Mother human procreators, oversaw our life development by the act of their human choice, sex.

Now if a scientist human theist who was not invented by their human thoughts or science machine reactions claims that the Earth owned a reactive planetary history as a Creator and claims and by natural development all bodies living on the planet formed by the planet and its heavenly body existing.

Then it is just a theory, a thought upon storytelling idea without owning any one condition of that natural history which is theised upon. For it is just thinking and thinking is just thinking and telling stories by inferring a lot of information by the thinking upon it.

So we were all taught as humans that thinking the A theist, the theist self did not own some higher ability in their thinking capabilities compared to anyone else.

For if none of the natural bodies existed in self owned forms, they could not discuss nor own any discussion to the non presence of the forms, formed.

How the teaching God ownership was given to the planet ownership without argument, for arguing is also just thinking with the want of human egotism expression being valued in a group control status.

And it is the group cult mentality that took over natural life control from the owned natural human life living in a group family and extended family reality. For what reason does storytelling own importance as compared to natural life and its natural survival in the reality of human egotism?

Speaking/discussing, thinking does not state ownership of formation processes or functions or its natural history, no matter how much coercive persuasion or threats are used.

Hence the use of human threats in cult group behaviour only demonstrates the group condition to force control by threats to the natural family living conditions. Does not make their thoughts correct or behaviour correct, and it is proven 100 per cent false and fake and wrong....yet it is used anyway.

This type of human mentality is how life gets destroyed, for they already know their behaviour is wrong and unacceptable so they own no truth telling in that group situation, but they do it anyway in a proposal that they will get what they want, and get support to express it anyway. What they want is not natural to life continuing, and it never was the truth to why life was living naturally.

When the human explanation is I do own self presence, I am living naturally. I need natural healthy conditions to survive and theism was never about life survival.

If I did no wrongs as a human, then natural already owned my life support.

 

[CG Didymus]

Spare me. Lol, 100000000000000000000000000 times lol.
Look at what is in my OP. It is not about the Baha'i Faith or Baha'u'llah. It was a conversation I was having with Questioning Mind. Whenever I post threads about God or Messengers it is never ME who brings up Baha'ullah, it is always someone else... and then they carry on and on and on and on... I have been trying to get off this thread for two weeks.

I am a woman and I could not care less.

Then why do you start these threads? Some of us say "yes" God's delivery is flawed. Then you say, "No, it's not" And there we go into a thousand posts.

 

[Trailblazer]

But that's not what the comment was about. You said how, and even gave an example for how God could've done it. So no excuses.

You mean how you BELIEVE God could've done it, and even if He could it would never accomplish anything so what would be the point?

An All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible God needs no excuses for how He chooses to communicate, which is why I don’t make any.

Wrong. A logical person would not make an irrelevant excuse. Omnipotent means God is All-Powerful, so a logical person knows that he could whatever that's logically possible. God choosing to do something or not is irrelevant, it's got nothing to do with what he can or cannot do.

A logical person would never even think let alone say that God needs to make excuses to humans for what He chooses NOT to do.

There is nothing irrelevant about it, it is completely relevant. Of course it is relevant if God does not CHOOSE to do what He is capable of.

You have no way of knowing what God can or cannot do.

God is not subject to what humans believe is logically possible because humans cannot EVER know what is possible for a God that transcends human logic. Nice try though.

I'll accept that as an explanation for purposely choosing a flawed method of communication. God doesn't care about humanity, so he not an omnibenevolent. Thanks for being honest and admitting that it's God's fault for not communicating his message poorly. So why would anyone want to worship a god who blames and punished humanity for not getting his message through to everyone, even though it's clearly his fault.

Thanks for clearing it up.

That is a big fat straw man you created. God does not blame or punish anyone for NOT getting His message.

Boo hoo… God does not care about humans because He does not kowtow to what they WANT and communicate they way they WANT, expecting God to behave like Santa Claus bringing the presents Johnny wants for Christmas…. Sadly, atheists cannot even understand how childish they are. It might be funny if it was not so sad and what is even sadder is that they cannot even understand what they are doing -- telling an Almighty God that He cannot communicate properly. It is beyond arrogant.

You are blaming God but an Infallible God cannot make mistakes so nothing can ever be God's FAULT...
talk about illogical.

It is not God’s fault that some people or even most people are NOT getting the message that was communicated clearly and effectively. The reasons people do not get the message have NOTHING to do with the method of communication; they are ALL on the human end.

1. Many people have never heard of the Baha’i Faith, so they do not know there is something to look for. It is the responsibility of the Baha’is to get the message out, so if that is not happening, the Baha’is are to blame. However, there are so few Baha’is and they are busy building the New World Order, and there is only so much time, so they can only do so much.

2. But even after people know about the Baha’i Faith, most people are not even willing to look the evidence in order to determine if it is true or not.

3. Even if they are willing to look at the evidence, there is a lot of prejudice before even getting out the door to look at the evidence.

4. 84% of people in the world already have a religion and they are happy with their religion so they have no interest in a “new religion.”

5. The rest of the world’s population is agnostics or atheists or believers who are prejudiced against all religion.

6. Agnostics or atheists and atheists and believers who have no religion either do not believe that God communicates via Messengers or they find fault with the Messenger, Baha’u’llah.

7. Baha’u’llah brought new teachings and laws that are very different from the older religions so many people are suspicious of those teachings and/or don’t like the laws because some laws require them to give things up that they like doing.

 

[rational experiences]

Then why do you start these threads? Some of say "yes" God's delivery is flawed. Then you say, "No, it's not" And there we go into a thousand posts.

If a theist uses numbers as a quote and claims Jesus or Christ or Satan 1000 as an evaluation in science, to use and infer Numbers, when numbers are not natural.

Are you theorising that it takes 1000 human lives to believe in the message consciously as human consciousness? To claim it is a human aware gained message, when you are already a human living getting a message!

 

[Trailblazer]

but there are too many loose ends and too many pieces of the puzzle missing, and you aren't helping in trying to tie those things together or to find those missing pieces.

As a Baha'i, it is not my responsibility to answer questions about other religions, when they were revealed, etc.
It is not my job to make the puzzle pieces FIT for other people.
Except for Tony, do you see any other Baha'is responding to such inquiries?

 

[CG Didymus]

Allah cannot write Tablets because Allah is Spirit, not flesh.
This is logic 101 stuff.

Daniel 5:1-6

King Belshazzar gave a great banquet for a thousand of his nobles and drank wine with them. 2 While Belshazzar was drinking his wine, he gave orders to bring in the gold and silver goblets that Nebuchadnezzar his father had taken from the temple in Jerusalem, so that the king and his nobles, his wives and his concubines might drink from them. 3 So they brought in the gold goblets that had been taken from the temple of God in Jerusalem, and the king and his nobles, his wives and his concubines drank from them. 4 As they drank the wine, they praised the gods of gold and silver, of bronze, iron, wood and stone.

5 Suddenly the fingers of a human hand appeared and wrote on the plaster of the wall, near the lampstand in the royal palace. The king watched the hand as it wrote. 6 His face turned pale and he was so frightened that his legs became weak and his knees were knocking.
​

There is also God writing the Ten Commandments. And your interpretations of those Bible verses? "Just stories"? And God, supposedly, created man and the animals, the Earth and sky, but he can't write? And your Logic 101 course taught you that?

 

[Trailblazer]

And what is it that your are doing with the peace plan? How are Baha'is putting the plan into action? I'd imagine some Baha'is are, but what about the rest of them?

I do not know what other Baha'is are doing and I do not make it my business.

 

[Trailblazer]

Judaism had over 600 laws from God. What were the new social laws that Jesus brought?

I think you should ask a Christian.

 

[CG Didymus]

As a Baha'i, it is not my responsibility to answer questions about other religions, when they were revealed, etc.
It is not my job to make the puzzle pieces FIT for other people.
Except for Tony, do you see any other Baha'is responding to such inquiries?

What is the responsibility of an individual Baha'i to teach the Cause? And are there suggestions on how to do it? And again and again, you make a claim, when first revealed the religion was pristine, and can't back it up. But don't worry about it. I pretty much thought you couldn't.

 

[Trailblazer]

You are the Baha'i. Are Baha'is supposed to be bringing the religions and all people together as one? I can't believe you say things like "you cannot understand".

But that is not what I said. I said:
But for some strange reason the fact that all those of the older religions not caring or understanding the beliefs of others and making only their beliefs out to be the truth is not a problem for you. I guess you cannot understand that is a double standard.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then why do you start these threads? Some of us say "yes" God's delivery is flawed. Then you say, "No, it's not" And there we go into a thousand posts.

I explained why I started thus thread. I said:

Look at what is in my OP. It is not about the Baha'i Faith or Baha'u'llah. It was a conversation I was having with Questioning Mind. Whenever I post threads about God or Messengers it is never ME who brings up Baha'ullah, it is always someone else... and then they carry on and on and on and on... I have been trying to get off this thread for two weeks.

God's method of delivery cannot be flawed because God is Infallible. Logic 101.

 

[CG Didymus]

I do not know what other Baha'is are doing and I do not make it my business.

%&^$ others. What the %&*$ are you doing to promote the things in the Baha'i peace plan? If nothing... don't worry about it. I'd imagine most Baha'is aren't. They are letting others do it. But, the Dalai Lama got a Noble Peace Prize. I wonder what it is he did?