god and human rights, are they compatible?

[BruceDLimber]

GOD Who creates Divine Law, and human rights as part of this!

Man-made laws may then follow, but that's a different category entirely.

i don't know anything about your religion, but do you believe that the bible and the quran, for instance, are the word of god?

Yes to both, but I don't follow either of these, but rather endeavor to follow the Baha'i scriptures, which are around 200 volumes long and do NOT endorse domination of anyone over someone else (save for parents/chldren)!

And if you'd like to know more about what we believe, I'll be most happy to send you an overview; just ask me! In the meantime, you can discover stuff about us at these sites:

www.bahai.org

and

www.bahai.us

Best regards,

Bruce

 

[waitasec]

Yes to both, but I don't follow either of these, but rather endeavor to follow the Baha'i scriptures, which are around 200 volumes long and do NOT endorse domination of anyone over someone else (save for parents/chldren)!

And if you'd like to know more about what we believe, I'll be most happy to send you an overview; just ask me! In the meantime, you can discover stuff about us at these sites:

www.bahai.org

and

www.bahai.us

Best regards,

Bruce

well that's confusing to me
it is a contradiction...
"god" is very human like... that is why i believe the concept of god was created from our image; god is jealous and angry, why? god is love, why?
and why would god be a tyrant?

the idea that women were to be subjected to men was a reflection of how things were, at least in the western world, look at the islamic countries now, their fundamentalist conservative approach to their religion has slowed down the progress of equality

the believers rely on their own senses, as non believers do.
some can accept the chaos others cannot.
the non believers ask, how? the believers ask, why?
the problem is when the believer stops asking why, because they think they have the answer... and thusly progress slows down, almost to a halt.

 

[BruceDLimber]

The problem is that you're mixing up all sorts of human misconceptions with your view of God, Who IOV is most clearly All-loving, All-merciful, and not the least like the "angry" and vengeful being you portray! Our scriptures make this quite clear, so I refer you to them. You can find these at:

• www.bahai-library.org (select "Writings" to see our scriptures),
• www.reference.bahai.org (this site is multilingual), and
• www.bahaistudy.org (this site also has videos and talking books.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Copernicus]

The problem is that you're mixing up all sorts of human misconceptions with your view of God, Who IOV is most clearly All-loving, All-merciful, and not the least like the "angry" and vengeful being you portray!...

Bruce, you seem to contradict yourself. On the one hand, you accept the Bible and the Quran as "the word of God". Those books quite clearly do contain passages that depict God as the kind of being that you consider a misconception. On the other, you claim that your scripture clarifies his nature. Are you saying that God promotes a misconception of himself to some and not others?

 

[BruceDLimber]

No, I'm stating that our scriptures (which are millenia more recent that the others you mention) make quite clear the loving and merciful nature of God and also explain that those earlier statements were for simpler, less understanding ages.

The positive has now been stressed.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Copernicus]

No, I'm stating that our scriptures (which are millenia more recent that the others you mention) make quite clear the loving and merciful nature of God and also explain that those earlier statements were for simpler, less understanding ages.

OK. So, God felt it necessary to promote a misconception of his nature earlier, because they just wouldn't get the Mr. Nice Guy version. Now that humans have progressed in their thinking he has decided to clarify his nature, but just to folks of your religious group. I think I understand it now.

 

[waitasec]

No, I'm stating that our scriptures (which are millenia more recent that the others you mention) make quite clear the loving and merciful nature of God and also explain that those earlier statements were for simpler, less understanding ages.

The positive has now been stressed.

Peace,

Bruce

you are assuming the bible and the qur'an were written for simple minded people...and as the ages progressed, god true identity of being a loving god was revealed by "your scripture"...
that is a disclaimer my friend...why then threaten your creation? why divide them into 12 tribes? why play favorites?
the claim you make about god being a loving god only works to a specific type of people, not humanity as a whole.

 

[BruceDLimber]

On the contrary, the Baha'i Faith is intended for all humanity, not just for some small group!

And we're confident that over time, it will indeed spread to become predominant just as other religions have.

After all, unsurprisingly, the spread of a new religion takes time!

Best!

Bruce

 

[Copernicus]

On the contrary, the Baha'i Faith is intended for all humanity, not just for some small group!

And we're confident that over time, it will indeed spread to become predominant just as other religions have.

But the point remains that your religion's view of God is limited to just that one group. All you are saying is that you expect everyone else to join your group. Good luck with that. You'll need to do a lot of persuading.

 

[BruceDLimber]

But the point remains that your religion's view of God is limited to just that one group.

On the contrary, we--AND our scriptures--recognize and endorse ALL the great religions, as should be eminently clear to anyone who actually reads them!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[waitasec]

On the contrary, we--AND our scriptures--recognize and endorse ALL the great religions, as should be eminently clear to anyone who actually reads them!

Peace,

Bruce

again this is contradiction;
christians believe jesus is the messiah, jews don't
how can they both be right?

evangelical christians acknowledge mormons and seven day adventists as cults
how can they all be right?

religion is dangerous.

 

[Copernicus]

On the contrary, we--AND our scriptures--recognize and endorse ALL the great religions, as should be eminently clear to anyone who actually reads them!

And this just brings us right back to the original point. You endorse scriptures that present a blatantly false representation of God from your perspective. You appear to embrace that which you reject.

 

[Senior NevaLes X]

We dont need religion!

 

[Senior NevaLes X]

We need a personal relationship with the creator of all!

 

[BruceDLimber]

You endorse scriptures that present a blatantly false representation of God from your perspective.

WHAT NONSENSE!!

It is a profoundly TRUE representation from my perspective (as if you even had a clue about what my perspective is--or why--, anyway)!!

And Waitasec, as I said, all this can quickly become clear if you actually take the time to READ what our scriptures say (including the passages where they resolve the apparant contradictions).

Peace,

Bruce

 

[waitasec]

WHAT NONSENSE!!

It is a profoundly TRUE representation from my perspective (as if you even had a clue about what my perspective is--or why--, anyway)!!

And Waitasec, as I said, all this can quickly become clear if you actually take the time to READ what our scriptures say (including the passages where they resolve the apparant contridictions).

Peace,

Bruce

imo, anything proclaiming to be the "word of god" is suspicious....

 

[dust1n]

imo, anything proclaiming to be the "word of god" is suspicious....

Yeah, but his Word of God is just revising other Word of God's, so I think it's probably just as plausible their Word of God being valid as the other ones being valid.

 

[BruceDLimber]

imo, anything proclaiming to be the "word of god" is suspicious....

No problem!: Simply investigate it thoroughly, and then make an informed decision pro or con.

And in any case, he has NO BUSINESS presuming to tell me what my perspective is! I'm afraid I've had a few more decades clarifying that than he has.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Copernicus]

WHAT NONSENSE!!

Not at all. You seem to reject highly anthropomorphized views of God, yet you endorse religious scripture that very clearly promotes those conceptions of God and gods. People have gone to war over their perceived religious differences in the past.

It is a profoundly TRUE representation from my perspective (as if you even had a clue about what my perspective is--or why--, anyway)!!

You are free to clarify what it is that you think I do not understand. I must admit, though, that I do not have a clear antecedent for your subject pronoun "it" in your first sentence. Maybe you could supply one.

And Waitasec, as I said, all this can quickly become clear if you actually take the time to READ what our scriptures say (including the passages where they resolve the apparant contradictions).

I've taken the time to read a lot of different scriptures, and my impression is that the apparent contradictions remain contradictions, even after people have done the tap dance with the cane and the straw hat.

 

[BruceDLimber]

People have gone to war over their perceived religious differences in the past.

Which is perhaps a good reason to bear in mind not only that waging war is expressly forbidden Baha'is, but that we're also told explicitly in our scriptures that clarifications about religion are to remain verbal (or written) and never to degenerate into any sort violence or hostility.

I must admit ... that I do not have a clear antecedent for your subject pronoun "it" in your first sentence. Maybe you could supply one.

The antecedent was the statement I'd alredy made previously.

I've taken the time to read a lot of different scriptures, and my impression is that the apparent contradictions remain contradictions....

Then perhaps you should read ours, in particular volumes like Some Answered Questions, which you can find in the "Writings" section at: www.bahai-library.org

Peace,

Bruce