God and omnipotence

[michel]

I'm sorry, but the idea that some god living in the midst of nothing, decided to create an entire universe for people is far more absurd than, "Why does life exist?", I don't know, chaos. In an eternal chaotic system, it is perfectly reasonable to suspect periods of immense order and practically everything that could happen would happen over an eternity. We may simply be experiencing a blink of eternal chaos. It's just that, we are experiencing everything so quickly and limitedly that we cannot glimpse it's purpose; or there is no purpose. Everything is just cause, effect, cause, effect - the same amount of energy has existed for eternity and it just keeps on bumping into itself creating all kinds of interesting systems, like small and nuclear bonds, solar systems, biologoical systems and saterday morning cartoons. Certainly there is no reason to suspect that this universe was created by conscious moral god. If so, I very much disapprove of his creation skills.

I have a few complaints; the development of the knee and the frailty of the human body are just a couple I'd like to mention. Oh yeah, why not make just one friggin planet? If heaven exists, in some other plain, why not just start us off there to begin with?

You surprise me Darkdale........I have never 'heard' you react as angrily as you have in your second paragraph.

Certainly there is no reason to suspect that this universe was created by conscious moral god. If so, I very much disapprove of his creation skills.

Why ? - what would you have made different ?

I have a few complaints; the development of the knee and the frailty of the human body are just a couple I'd like to mention. Oh yeah, why not make just one friggin planet? If heaven exists, in some other plain, why not just start us off there to begin with?

Apart from your comment about the human body, cannot you understand the illogicism of simply 'dumping' us in heaven ? - we are here to prove our worth, our ability to enter heaven.

 

[Radar]

You surprise me Darkdale........I have never 'heard' you react as angrily as you have in your second paragraph.

Why ? - what would you have made different ?
Apart from your comment about the human body, cannot you understand the illogicism of simply 'dumping' us in heaven ? - we are here to prove our worth, our ability to enter heaven.

If this god made us then we should be worthy enough. This perfect god creating, making and fabricating skills are quite lacking. Beside wouldn't this all knowing god know our worth and if our worth was not up to snuff then why not change the design. Oh that's right the design is in his image so therefore it must be perfect so we should be worthy already.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Namaste Jay,

By my positing "{X} did it" there, where X=God, I was not attributing anything other than the creation event. One can define God as nothing more than the interactions that result in creation and it would not change my argument.

Thank you.

 

[Darkdale]

Apart from your comment about the human body, cannot you understand the illogicism of simply 'dumping' us in heaven ? - we are here to prove our worth, our ability to enter heaven.

To prove our worth to god? Yes, I understand, but that is the reason I'm not a Christian, or a Jew or a Muslim. The only one I need to prove myself to is myself and because of that I try to live in a way that honors my family and my friends, my gods and my ancestors. But I don't have to prove myself to any of them. I don't have to earn a place in heaven.

I've long forgotten what it was like to believe in a God you had to prove yourself too, so... I don't know. I really do apologize if I was disrespectful. That was not my intention.

 

[michel]

If this god made us then we should be worthy enough. This perfect god creating, making and fabricating skills are quite lacking. Beside wouldn't this all knowing god know our worth and if our worth was not up to snuff then why not change the design. Oh that's right the design is in his image so therefore it must be perfect so we should be worthy already.

You still sound angry........

God created us in his image (not as in physiognomy), but in having the potential to achieve a level of attributes of kindness and loving much like his..........to have made us perfect would have defeated the entire process of our life on Earth, in which we are given the choice to 'make it good' or 'bad' as is our free will.

 

[Radar]

You still sound angry........

God created us in his image (not as in physiognomy), but in having the potential to achieve a level of attributes of kindness and loving much like his..........to have made us perfect would have defeated the entire process of our life on Earth, in which we are given the choice to 'make it good' or 'bad' as is our free will.

Michel, you should know buy now that I'm not angry that's just how I write. And what is this process on earth that we are meant to achieve? And why aren't all people born with the same concept of god? It seems there are to many obsticals for one to really know this god. Like where a person was born, to whom a person was born, for almost any religious belief to make any real sense.There are to many holes in thiest arguments.

 

[Radar]

To prove our worth to god? Yes, I understand, but that is the reason I'm not a Christian, or a Jew or a Muslim. The only one I need to prove myself to is myself and because of that I try to live in a way that honors my family and my friends, my gods and my ancestors. But I don't have to prove myself to any of them. I don't have to earn a place in heaven.

I've long forgotten what it was like to believe in a God you had to prove yourself too, so... I don't know. I really do apologize if I was disrespectful. That was not my intention.

Great Post :clap

 

[michel]

I've long forgotten what it was like to believe in a God you had to prove yourself too, so... I don't know. I really do apologize if I was disrespectful. That was not my intention.

Sorry; another misconception; you were not disrespectful - you have nothing for which to apologise. I could 'feel' an impatience and slight anger in your writing; I just wondered why it was there.

Michel, you should know buy now that I'm not angry that's just how I write. And what is this process on earth that we are meant to achieve? And why aren't all people born with the same concept of god? It seems there are to many obsticals for one to really know this god. Like where a person was born, to whom a person was born, for almost any religious belief to make any real sense.There are to many holes in thiest arguments.

The process on Earth which I believe we have to achieve? - to learn noty to allow ourselves to be tempted to sin - to try to avoid it (although I cannot imagine a human who is without sin). The wholes in the theist arguments are, I agree, ofputting - but I don't believe they are of paramount importance. Our lesson is, as I have said, to avoid sin as much as we can, to learn to love God (in whichewver way we see him) - and for me, as a Christian, to accept the principle of Baptism, the life of Christ, and his sacrifice, so that we may be saved from our sins. It isn't the Goal that is so much on our minds, while alive, but the journey......I prefer to use my free will to try to do God's bidding.

 

[Merlin]

Sorry; another misconception; you were not disrespectful - you have nothing for which to apologise. I could 'feel' an impatience and slight anger in your writing; I just wondered why it was there.


The process on Earth which I believe we have to achieve? - to learn noty to allow ourselves to be tempted to sin - to try to avoid it (although I cannot imagine a human who is without sin). The wholes in the theist arguments are, I agree, ofputting - but I don't believe they are of paramount importance. Our lesson is, as I have said, to avoid sin as much as we can, to learn to love God (in whichewver way we see him) - and for me, as a Christian, to accept the principle of Baptism, the life of Christ, and his sacrifice, so that we may be saved from our sins. It isn't the Goal that is so much on our minds, while alive, but the journey......I prefer to use my free will to try to do God's bidding.

yes, I largely agree with that. The problem as always is how you define sin? Change denominations, and you change the sin list. We are a strange lot, we God people.

 

[mr.guy]

The only one I need to prove myself to is myself and because of that I try to live in a way that honors my family and my friends, my gods and my ancestors. But I don't have to prove myself to any of them. I don't have to earn a place in heaven.

Do you not leave yourself at risk of denial into Valhalla?

 

[Darkdale]

Do you not leave yourself at risk of denial into Valhalla?

Valhalla is only for those who die in battle. I find it relatively unlikely that I'll ever get there.