God and the limits

[The high master]

If God is omnipotent and has unlimited power which means he can do whatever he wants no matter how meaningless impossible absurd etc .
If he is can he do the following
Create something bigger then unlimited endless boundless
If he can't do this can he create a power that can do this
Both of these things would be no challenge for a omnipotent God

 

[rusra02]

If God is omnipotent and has unlimited power which means he can do whatever he wants no matter how meaningless impossible absurd etc .
If he is can he do the following
Create something bigger then unlimited endless boundless
If he can't do this can he create a power that can do this
Both of these things would be no challenge for a omnipotent God

God never acts in a meaningless, absurd fashion. Jehovah is the God of purpose and love. As to his creating something boundless and endless, I can't help but think of the visible universe. The God of the Bible invites us to: "Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing." (Isaiah 40:26)

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[Marble]

Create something bigger then unlimited endless boundless

unlimited endless boundless = human imagination

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

God has demonstrated "sufficient" power and ability to set the "Creation of the Universe" in motion.
there is no reason to believe that he is either omnipotent or unlimited in any way.
We do not understand the framework in which he exists and works.
He does not share and is not limited by our time and space.
There may well be many things that he is unable to do, and solid reasons for those limits.
If so, they are outside our knowledge and reasoning.

One would not expect him to be involved in the absurd. though the antics of his creation, Man, might fall into that bracket.

 

[The high master]

I just asking if a omnipotent God could do those things

 

[thau]

If God is omnipotent and has unlimited power which means he can do whatever he wants no matter how meaningless impossible absurd etc .
If he is can he do the following
Create something bigger then unlimited endless boundless
If he can't do this can he create a power that can do this
Both of these things would be no challenge for a omnipotent God

There are many things God cannot do, including lie. So go ahead and challenge his "omnipotence" as though you are onto something meaningful.

He also cannot change your mind. He made that very clear. So take note.

 

[fishy]

There are many things God cannot do, including lie. So go ahead and challenge his "omnipotence" as though you are onto something meaningful.

He also cannot change your mind. He made that very clear. So take note.

Well that's fine then, your god is obviously not omnipotent. No problem!

 

[swamplizard]

Whenever one attempts to package God, one is utilizing concepts and describing one's own imagined God.

best,
swampy

 

[4consideration]

If God is omnipotent and has unlimited power which means he can do whatever he wants no matter how meaningless impossible absurd etc .
If he is can he do the following
Create something bigger then unlimited endless boundless

Here's how I see your sentence. Create something bigger (quantitative comparison to) then unlimited endless boundless (a quality of being)

I do not think that boundless has anything to do with size, merely present everywhere, as in without boundaries -- in the very small, as well as the very large -- and everywhere in between.

If he can't do this can he create a power that can do this
Both of these things would be no challenge for a omnipotent God

I think that the problem is not with God's ability to do anything. It's in comparing apples and oranges and thinking that the size of one invalidates the qualities of the other.

Yes, God could create a power that does that, but he doesn't need to -- since mankind has already taken care of that. It's called illusion, or error. We can easily create illusions, that although they may not actually exist within fundamental reality, can seem very real for us on the level of experience -- and can serve to limit our experience of reality if we form them into absolutes and then apply them to ourselves, each other, science, life, etc.

I think that we all are likely to do that about some things and at some times. I do not exclude myself from the propensity to be fooled by self-created illusions or false assumptions, nor do I see that scientists are necessarily exempt from it, either.

 

[fishy]

Here's how I see your sentence. Create something bigger (quantitative comparison to) then unlimited endless boundless (a quality of being)

I do not think that boundless has anything to do with size, merely present everywhere, as in without boundaries -- in the very small, as well as the very large -- and everywhere in between.



I think that the problem is not with God's ability to do anything. It's in comparing apples and oranges and thinking that the size of one invalidates the qualities of the other.

Yes, God could create a power that does that, but he doesn't need to -- since mankind has already taken care of that. It's called illusion, or error. We can easily create illusions, that although they may not actually exist within fundamental reality, can seem very real for us on the level of experience -- and can serve to limit our experience of reality if we form them into absolutes and then apply them to ourselves, each other, science, life, etc.

I think that we all are likely to do that about some things and at some times. I do not exclude myself from the propensity to be fooled by self-created illusions or false assumptions, nor do I see that scientists are necessarily exempt from it, either.

Do you mean like imagining the existence of a god, for instance?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I just asking if a omnipotent God could do those things

By that you are only questioning the meaning and scope of the word omnipotent.

 

[9Westy9]

If God is omnipotent and has unlimited power which means he can do whatever he wants no matter how meaningless impossible absurd etc .
If he is can he do the following
Create something bigger then unlimited endless boundless
If he can't do this can he create a power that can do this
Both of these things would be no challenge for a omnipotent God

It seems that an omnipotent being would be above logic and therefore able to do things we can't comprehend

 

[4consideration]

Do you mean like imagining the existence of a god, for instance?

Could be.

Could also be -- assuming to know the full contents of the thought processes, experiences and any other means of "knowing" for another person -- and then assuming that one is more intelligent by forming a judgement based upon one's own perceptions -- about something one could not possibly have a clue about.

The possibilities may be endless.

 

[Willamena]

If God is omnipotent and has unlimited power which means he can do whatever he wants no matter how meaningless impossible absurd etc .

Well, already you have limited him. You've limited him to thought, sense, language and meaning.

 

[The high master]

If God is above logic are this things possible

 

[9Westy9]

If God is above logic are this things possible

omnipotence implies that everything is possible. Unfortunately that's a concept that's nearly impossible to grasp

 

[fishy]

Could be.

Could also be -- assuming to know the full contents of the thought processes, experiences and any other means of "knowing" for another person -- and then assuming that one is more intelligent by forming a judgement based upon one's own perceptions -- about something one could not possibly have a clue about.

The possibilities may be endless.

Ooh very defensive. It was only a question, with many interpretations, just like some holy books I know of.

 

[Manss]

God doesn't perform any resultless and ineffective actions, as he say :

" it was not in play that we created the heavens and the earth and all that lies between them. (16) had we wished to take to us an amusement we would have taken it to us from ours had we done so. (17) " - Quran 21 - 16

God does scientific as scientists which they are making a Shattel does such

 

[The high master]

Are there any impossibilities for a limitless omnipotent God

 

[4consideration]

Ooh very defensive. It was only a question, with many interpretations, just like some holy books I know of.

You are correct. That response was defensive. Sorry I took the bait, fishy. I did interpret it as a personal attack, and I realize that I may well have been wrong about it.

So, I will attempt to clear up where I am coming from on that response, minus the defensiveness, but without sugar-coating it.

This is a thread that establishes an assumption of the existence of God in order to discuss certain attributes associated with God. It looks to me like you were selecting from my response an opportunity to take a shot at the reasonableness of a concept of God -- in order to take shots at and ridicule those who hold a concept of God. You used the word imagining with no understanding of the background of my contemplation of the subject of God. You could not possibly know it, because I have not fullly discussed it on this forum -- much less given any indication of it on this thread. Your use of the word imagining came across, to me, as an attempt to invalidate holding a belief in God, as if the idea of a God could only mean the unexamined, fanciful notion that came from...who knows where. You seem to assume that anyone that believes in God must be doing so only in compliance with some book. If that is your assumption, you are incorrect.

If I misinterpretted your position or intent, I apologize for that.

If you wish to discuss the reasonableness of a belief in God, I think that is certainly valid -- but more appropriate in a thread that was not established as a discussion of God's attributes, with an assumption of such an existence. As far as I am concerned, such a conversation would necessarily include a discussion of belief, faith and perspective -- far too lengthy and off topic for this thread.