God can not be disproven by science

[mikkel_the_dane]

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And did you made the comment that there is no evidence for it?

Here is a definition of referent: the thing in the world that a word or phrase denotes or stands for.

Now if I were to claim God exists, you would demand evidence for the referent of the word God.
I do the same for best as you used it. Now give the evidence for the referent to the word best being objective as independent of the self and in the objective world.
It is the same standard that you demand of other humans that I demand of you.

 

[AppieB]

Here is a definition of referent: the thing in the world that a word or phrase denotes or stands for.

Now if I were to claim God exists, you would demand evidence for the referent of the word God.
I do the same for best as you used it. Now give the evidence for the referent to the word best being objective as independent of the self and in the objective world.
It is the same standard that you demand of other humans that I demand of you.

You're evading the questions:

So why do you believe it?
And why did you made the comment that there is no evidence for it?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You're evading the questions:

So why do you believe it?
And why did you made the comment that there is no evidence for it?

Because evidence requires objective evidence and the word best has no objective evidence, as it is subjective just like God.

 

[AppieB]

Because evidence requires objective evidence and the word best has no objective evidence, as it is subjective just like God.

So why do you believe it?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So why do you believe it?

Because the products of science works for me in a good sense to me in some cases. That is subjective. I like having e.g. a PC and what I can do with it.

 

[AppieB]

Because the products of science works for me in a good sense to me in some cases. That is subjective. I like having e.g. a PC and what I can do with it.

Works in what way? How do you know it works in that way?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Works in what way? How do you know it works in that way?

I am looking at it right now. I get answers back from you.
As for works in the end, that is philosophy for one theory of truth.

BTW what is your objective evidence for best? Just do that and it is over as you have refuted my claim that best is subjective. I do notice that you are trying to play on my part of the playing field.

 

[AppieB]

I am looking at it right now. I get answers back from you.

Wow! One could almost consider this to be ... evidence.

As for works in the end, that is philosophy for one theory of truth.

Wow! One could almost consider this to be a reliable method to gain knowledge about the objective reality, the world external to the self.

BTW what is your objective evidence for best? Just do that and it is over as you have refuted my claim that best is subjective. I do notice that you are trying to play on my part of the playing field.

Getting this answer back.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Wow! One could almost consider this to be ... evidence.


Wow! One could almost consider this to be a reliable method to gain knowledge about the objective reality, the world external to the self.

Getting this answer back.

You tell me the objective as objective evidence for best!!!

 

[AppieB]

You tell me the objective as objective evidence for best!!!

What is the difference between "evidence" and "objective evidence"?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What is the difference between "evidence" and "objective evidence"?

Well, logic or math is not objective as natural science is objective.

You can understand that if you compare these to different versions of objective:
-expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
-of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers

Definition of OBJECTIVE

expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations; limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

So your use of science that is related to the second one and not just the first one.
Further if I say I like philosophy you could accept that as evidence that I like philosophy, but it wouldn't be objective or independent of the self.

 

[anotherneil]

God can not be disproven by science

Isn't it another rhetoric of the Atheism (et al) people, please, right??

Regards

I don't know who came up with it & I don't really care, either. It's an ad hom argument to say that there's something wrong with it or the point it makes because groups X/Y/Z like to use it.

 

[Nakosis]

You tell me the objective as objective evidence for best!!!

Objective meaning to limited as much personal bias as possible.
However that is still going to be subjective from the POV of being human.

Perhaps you are using a special definition for "objective"?

 

[AppieB]

Well, logic or math is not objective as natural science is objective.

You can understand that if you compare these to different versions of objective:
-expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
-of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers

Definition of OBJECTIVE

expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations; limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

So your use of science that is related to the second one and not just the first one.
Further if I say I like philosophy you could accept that as evidence that I like philosophy, but it wouldn't be objective or independent of the self.

But there is still evidence that science works (as you stated yourself) and that you believe that it is the best method of inquiry for the objective reality, the world external to the self.

 

[anotherneil]

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Ok, that's a good place to start; it is important to define or know the definitions of the words involved, cite their definitions, etc. Please continue with proving that it's whataboutism - I'm eager to see what you've got.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Objective meaning to limited as much personal bias as possible.
However that is still going to be subjective from the POV of being human.

Perhaps you are using a special definition for "objective"?

Not me. Here you go @AppieB

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But there is still evidence that science works (as you stated yourself) and that you believe that it is the best method of inquiry for the objective reality, the world external to the self.

Correct I believe that subjectively as a self.

 

[Nakosis]

Well, logic or math is not objective as natural science is objective.

You can understand that if you compare these to different versions of objective:
-expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
-of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers

Definition of OBJECTIVE

expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations; limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

So your use of science that is related to the second one and not just the first one.
Further if I say I like philosophy you could accept that as evidence that I like philosophy, but it wouldn't be objective or independent of the self.

independent of the self

IOW, someone other than yourself is able to reach the same conclusion. That's the basis of science.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

independent of the self

IOW, someone other than yourself is able to reach the same conclusion. That's the basis of science.

Yes and methodological naturalism of course. And whether version of science you actually believe in, as there are several and not just one.

 

[Nakosis]

Yes and methodological naturalism of course. And whether version of science you actually believe in, as there are several and not just one.

The goal of which version is to limit the subjective nature of one's self?