God convinced me he doesn't exist. What did he do to to convince you he does or doesn't exist??

[1213]

Of course it is.

Why should I believe your unsupported wishful thinking?

 

[Messianic Israelite]

>>>>> “The reality is that we don’t have archaeological records for virtually anyone who lived in [Yahshua's] time

It's not a good argument to say "in Yashua's time" because he's timeless, right? But I get your point. And my point is it doesn't matter if there's little to no evidence for the other historical figures because nobody asks us to worship them and accept them as our personal savior and coerce us to upend our lives to dedicate our lives to them on pain of suffering forever in fiery hell if we don't and other such sundry garbage the church demands of us.

Hi Thrillobyte. Good afternoon. Yes, Yahshua is timeless, you are correct. You have to realise that the concept of a Messiah is a Jewish concept. If we want to prove Yahshua, we have to study the Hebrew Scriptures. Yahshua said Moses wrote of him in John 5:46. The prophesies in the Hebrew Scriptures indicate a suffering Messiah would have to come, die and release us from our sins. Further, although some groups in Chr-stianity teach an ever-burning fiery hell, if you've ever studied in to this teaching, you'll realise an ever-burning hell is not scriptural. The wicked will be destroyed and they will remain dead, but they will not burn for all eternity.

 

[Sheldon]

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But they don't understand the Bible, they think it is full of errors and contradictions, even though it is not.

Of course it is.

He challenged anyone to provide one, I did, he dismissed it of course. Here's another one, I will keep posting them now, at regular intervals:

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The earth and "heaven" are created together "in the beginning," whereas the earth and universe are about 4.6 and 13.8 billion years old, respectively. I'm feeling generous here's another:

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Without any sun or stars, which Genesis claims were made on the 4th day. This links to the earlier error where the bible claims plants existed before the sun, not only would photosynthesis have been impossible without the sun, the sun existed before the earth, and definitely before vegetation evolved.

 

[Sheldon]

Why should I believe your unsupported wishful thinking?

I posted an error, you ignored it. I have now posted some more errors in the Genesis creation myth, above. I shall post biblical errors at intervals now.

 

[1213]

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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The earth and "heaven" are created together "in the beginning," whereas the earth and universe are about 4.6 and 13.8 billion years old, respectively. I'm feeling generous here's another:

The problem with that is, one should first believe your claim and there is no good reason to believe you, which is why you failed again.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Without any sun or stars, which Genesis claims were made on the 4th day. This links to the earlier error where the bible claims plants existed before the sun, not only would photosynthesis have been impossible without the sun, the sun existed before the earth, and definitely before vegetation evolved.

Seeds don't need light, they can exist very well without it. But, Bible tells there was light even before sun, which is why you fail again.

 

[Sheldon]

The problem with that is, one should first believe your claim and there is no good reason to believe you, which is why you failed again.



Seeds don't need light, they can exist very well without it. But, Bible tells there was light even before sun, which is why you fail again.

Sorry I'm dealing in facts, and these are demonstrably errors in the bible. That you are prepared to ignore them by denying scientific facts like the age of the universe, whilst mildly entertaining, is also entirely moot.

Here are todays:

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

An omnipotent deity? That needs rest?

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Nope, humans evolved slowly over time like all other living things, humans in their current form emerging just 200k years ago.

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Then goes on to claim he did eat, and did not die, oopsy, let the handwaving commence.

 

[1213]

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3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
An omnipotent deity? That needs rest?

Bible doesn't say God needs to rest. It only tells He stopped creating.

It can be said also that one put hammer to rest, does it mean hammer needs rest?

...7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Nope, humans evolved slowly over time like all other living things, humans in their current form emerging just 200k years ago.

I have no intelligent reason to believe you, sorry.

...17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Then goes on to claim he did eat, and did not die, oopsy, let the handwaving commence.

Are you seriously claiming Adam did not die?

They lost their life with God, and end up to this first death that people call life. Death is slow process, for some it can take 100 years.

 

[Muffled]

I had believed in God for 60 years. For the next 10 years I reverted to believing it was some kind of deistic god or higher power, but most certainly this higher power was NOT the Christian pagan god, Yahweh (Yahweh in case you didn't know was a minor Canaanite god in a collection of Canaanite gods that included Asherah, Baal and headed by chief god, El. The early Hebrews living among the Canaanites picked up Yahweh and made him their chief god). Recently I've decided to just go full atheist. I've never had any proof God exists; I've never had any prayers answered; the world is cruel unjust place filled with violence and death; the Bible is riddled with errors and inaccuracies; there's no proof a Jesus of Nazareth ever existed. It just makes more sense to me that it was natural selection that created this marvelous universe. We are a tremendously complex accident and we are now destroying the earth with our avarice. In 100 years global warming will have killed off most of the earth's population and rendered everything but the north and south poles uninhabitable.

What convinced you God exists or doesn't exist?

I believe I never questioned the existence of God but I had God answer my prayer with words at age 13, so that helped solidify what I already believed was true. I suspect that I came to know God in a previous life have descended from Heaven to this life.

 

[Muffled]

I believe God exists due to all the guidance i have recieved when I have asked God to guide me.
Ones i asked "God how can i reduce the suffering in my life" the answer arised a few days later when I opened different religious books just randomly, and each time, there was answers to how to reduce suffering in ones life.

To me that is a clear indication God did listen and answered.

I believe the best information comes when we ask the right questions and seek the best results.

 

[Muffled]

I've had instances like that. I try to be careful ascribing that to a God. It can lead to weird places. Like thinking people on the forum are talking as the Gods mouthpieces to you

I believe that happens in church with sermons. People think it is directed at them. There is no way for a preacher to know what a person needs but God does and can work that into a sermon.