God existance in Islam

[Britedream]

Should we respect lies and ignorance?


Faith or Belief in islam can be very dangerous due to muslims not accepting credible education and knowledge. Muslims murder each other over belief alone, SO NO you don't get a free ride OR respect.

You need to earn respect here, and you sir have none as your fanaticism is deep. Maybe we need to look up that word and post the definition because you don't seem to understand much here.

There are rules for this forum. if you break them, I will report you.

 

[Britedream]

Fixed. 4. is inferred poorly. Pain can be stimulated in the brain without skin. Pain in the skin was an observation anyone can make by burning their skin a bit. This miracle amounts to the mundane. It is like saying water is wet.

Sorry, I already debated with you , and have seen how do you act, I am not interested in debating with you. but I have to tell you this, List facts that leads to the conclusion, and not interpretation. "Nociceptors" are in the skin, if they are destoryed you will not feel the pain in the skin. I gave a link to "Pain Principles" go and see it, this is a Science, if you object to it, you are in odd with science. So the verse, is simply stating that the skin is replaced so they can feel..., there is no fixing, twisting things will not help you. What you say just observation, Science says "recent discovery".

 

[Shad]

Sorry, I already debated with you , and have seen how do you act, I am not interested in debating with you. but I have to tell you this, List facts that leads to the conclusion, and not interpretation. "Nociceptors" are in the skin, if they are destoryed you will not feel the pain in the skin. I gave a link to "Pain Principles" go and see it, this is a Science, if you object to it, you are in odd with science. So the verse, is simply stating that the skin is replaced so they can feel..., there is no fixing, twisting things will not help you.

I do not disagree with the science posted. I diagree with your interpretion of "Nociceptors" into the verse. It is post hoc rationalization.

Pain can be stimulated in the brain. Chronic pain can be handled by treatments in the brain. The renewal of skin is not a miracle but that of ignorance. Allah can cause pain directly by stimulating the brain's receptors thus bypass harm to the skin but does not. However Mo did not know this, he thought pain was directly linked to an area rather than a reaction to stimulus on the body communicated to the brain. Renewing the skin is unnecessary. If you think about one can avoid the pain of Hell fire with common treatments used for chronic pain or nervous system damage like spinal injuries.


Central stimulation-induced analgesia in ... [Crit Rev Neurobiol. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI
The endogenous opioid system and cl... [AACN Clin Issues. 2005 Jul-Sep] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Britedream]

I do not disagree with the science posted. I diagree with your interpretion of "Nociceptors" into the verse. It is post hoc rationalization.

Pain can be stimulated in the brain. Chronic pain can be handled by treatments in the brain. The renewal of skin is not a miracle but that of ignorance. Allah can cause pain directly by stimulating the brain's receptors thus bypass harm to the skin but does not. However Mo did not know this, he thought pain was directly linked to an area rather than a reaction to stimulus on the body communicated to the brain. Renewing the skin is unnecessary. If you think about one can avoid the pain of Hell fire with common treatments used for chronic pain or nervous system damage like spinal injuries.


Central stimulation-induced analgesia in ... [Crit Rev Neurobiol. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI
The endogenous opioid system and cl... [AACN Clin Issues. 2005 Jul-Sep] - PubMed - NCBI

Shad; the verse did not say, the pain can or can not be stimultated, the verse stated that the skin is replaced for them to feel pain; The key here is "Nociceptors", if destroyed, no feeling, so it is renewed for them to feel the pain. this is what Science is talking about.

 

[Shad]

Skin is replaced for them to feel pain. However clearly in my links pain is in the mind so the skin is not required. Hence why chronic pain can be treated in the brain. These kinds of treatment trick the brain into not feeling pain in the body. Now since Mo did not know pain is the product of the mind but is rather at the source of damage he was in error.

 

[Britedream]

Skin is replaced for them to feel pain. However clearly in my links pain is in the mind so the skin is not required. Hence why chronic pain can be treated in the brain. These kinds of treatment trick the brain into not feeling pain in the body. Now since Mo did not know pain is the product of the mind but is rather at the source of damage he was in error.

Muhammed stated a fact, that science asserted to be true. I gave a link to "Pain Principles", That states how "Nociceptors" in the skin are responsible for feeling the pain. This is so clear.

 

[Tiapan]

Shad; the verse did not say, the pain can or can not be stimultated, the verse stated that the skin is replaced for them to feel pain; The key here is "Nociceptors", if destroyed, no feeling, so it is renewed for them to feel the pain. this is what Science is talking about.

Its quite simple, your misunderstanding of human physiology is that you assume by simply adding more skin receptors you will feel pain again. This is false because the nerves that relay the pain to the brain will have died, simply reconnecting them does not work. If you don't believe me ask any doctor or nurse they will tell you the same. So obviously your interpretation of your verse is WRONG.

Cheers
an peace be with you

 

[Britedream]

Its quite simple, your misunderstanding of human physiology is that you assume by simply adding more skin receptors you will feel pain again. This is false because the nerves that relay the pain to the brain will have died, simply reconnecting them does not work. If you don't believe me ask any doctor or nurse they will tell you the same. So obviously your interpretation of your verse is WRONG.

Cheers
an peace be with you

The verse says: replacing the skin , which would have new "Nociceptors", I do not need to ask a nurse, I gave you a link to "Pain Principles", that states "Nociceptors" in skin are responsible for feeling the pain. we are talking about God putting it back, the one who created it the first time. for someone to say that is not going to work. That is an opinion. But the question is not about whether it is going to work or not, the question is, how did prophet Muhammed pbuh know about this.

 

[Tiapan]

The verse says: replacing the skin , which would have new "Nociceptors", I do not need to ask a nurse, I gave you a link to "Pain Principles", that states "Nociceptors" in skin are responsible for feeling the pain. we are talking about God putting it back, the one who created it the first time. for someone to say that is not going to work. That is an opinion. But the question is not about whether it is going to work or not, the question is, how did prophet Muhammed pbuh know about this.

Are you ashamed to ask a professional nurse because she is female or that she may not tell you what you want to hear? If your local hospital medical staff relied solely on the Koran for instructions the hospital morgue would fill rather quickly.


cheers
and peace be upon you too

 

[Britedream]

Are you ashamed to ask a professional nurse because she is female or that she may not tell you what you want to hear? If your local hospital medical staff relied solely on the Koran for instructions the hospital morgue would fill rather quickly.


cheers
and peace be upon you too

Do you see how you change the subject, why it is always about me, I am not the subject, and you assume things. I give you the evidance, Ph. D in the unversity, and you refere me to a nurse for her opinion. leave opinion aside. Just tell how The prophet came to know about this?.

 

[YmirGF]

Do you see how you change the subject, and you assume things. I give you the evidance, Ph. D in the unversity, and you refere me to a nurse for her opinion. leave opinion aside. Just tell how The prophet came to know about this?.

You don't find it odd that you are defending one of Muhammad's most morbid hallucinations? Are you OK with a god subjecting human beings to endless torture? Seriously?

To illustrate how warped this whole conversation is, when was the last time you saw documented evidence of a person's skin being entirely and miraculously replaced? And you are asking how Muhammad knew this?

 

[Harikrish]

Sorry, I already debated with you , and have seen how do you act, I am not interested in debating with you. but I have to tell you this, List facts that leads to the conclusion, and not interpretation. "Nociceptors" are in the skin, if they are destoryed you will not feel the pain in the skin. I gave a link to "Pain Principles" go and see it, this is a Science, if you object to it, you are in odd with science. So the verse, is simply stating that the skin is replaced so they can feel..., there is no fixing, twisting things will not help you. What you say just observation, Science says "recent discovery".

Here is a good example why the Muslims are victimized twice. They are first victimized by being forced to remain illiterate. 800 million Muslims are illiterate (6 out of 10 cannot read). They are again victimized by the few Muslims who can read but read poorly and spread misinformation to the majority of Muslims already living in ignorance.

To say that Mohammed was both an illiterate and wrote the Quran that contains scientific knowledge is absurd.

Pain is not felt in the skin. The skin has nociceptors made of nerve endings that send signals along a chain of nerve fibres via the spinal chord rom to the brain. Because they are made up of nerve endings they are able to respond to tissue damage caused by trauma, heat, physical damage and signals to the brain which in turn interprets the signal into the appropriate pain sensation. If the Central Nervous system is cut off from the signal path. No amount of physical injury or pain will be detected. Nociceptors are therefor receptors only.

When the skin is damaged the nociceptors are regenerated as the skin is repaired.

Scientists did not know the exact mechanism that triggered the sensation of pain until they discovered the nerve ending fibres called nociceptors and how the signals were communicated to the brain via the spinal chord. So it is incorrect to say they did not know signals were sent to the brain from the skin. They did not know nerve fibre endings were involved. The Quran does not mention nerve fibres as signal carriers, so using the Quran to explain science is what is keeping 800 million Muslims from even understanding why they scratch when they itch.

The brain is therefore fully connected to every part of the human body and the skin is the outer extremities which is one of the senses that keep the brain informed of its surroundings. Or we would be cutting and burning ourselves without even realizing the damage caused to our bodies. It is not only the trauma that is being sent through these signals but even the slightest stimulus.
There isn't enough science in the Quran to meet a grade 6 level curriculum. The Quran was also written so poorly that it requires both special commentaries and scholarly aids called Tafsir to understand it.

 

[Britedream]

You don't find it odd that you are defending one of Muhammad's most morbid hallucinations? Are you OK with a god subjecting human beings to endless torture? Seriously?

To illustrate how warped this whole conversation is, when was the last time you saw documented evidence of a person's skin being entirely and miraculously replaced? And you are asking how Muhammad knew this?

If you do not understand, do not post. go back and read, and leave opinion aside, give us facts, if you can, if you can not , please do not populate the thread with non usefull post. Pleas go back and read the posts.

 

[Britedream]

Here is a good example why the Muslims are victimized twice. They are first victimized by being forced to remain illiterate. 800 million Muslims are illiterate (6 out of 10 cannot read). They are again victimized by the few Muslims who can read but read poorly and spread misinformation to the majority of Muslims already living in ignorance.

To say that Mohammed was both an illiterate and wrote the Quran that contains scientific knowledge is absurd.

Pain is not felt in the skin. The skin has nociceptors made of nerve endings that send signals along a chain of nerve fibres via the spinal chord rom to the brain. Because they are made up of nerve endings they are able to respond to tissue damage caused by trauma, heat, physical damage and signals to the brain which in turn interprets the signal into the appropriate pain sensation. If the Central Nervous system is cut off from the signal path. No amount of physical injury or pain will be detected. Nociceptors are therefor receptors only.

When the skin is damaged the nociceptors are regenerated as the skin is repaired.

Scientists did not know the exact mechanism that triggered the sensation of pain until they discovered the nerve ending fibres called nociceptors and how the signals were communicated to the brain via the spinal chord. So it is incorrect to say they did not know signals were sent to the brain from the skin. They did not know nerve fibre endings were involved. The Quran does not mention nerve fibres as signal carriers, so using the Quran to explain science is what is keeping 800 million Muslims from even understanding why they scratch when they itch.

The brain is therefore fully connected to every part of the human body and the skin is the outer extremities which is one of the senses that keep the brain informed of its surroundings. Or we would be cutting and burning ourselves without even realizing the damage caused to our bodies. It is not only the trauma that is being sent through these signals but even the slightest stimulus.
There isn't enough science in the Quran to meet a grade 6 level curriculum. The Quran was also written so poorly that it requires both special commentaries and scholarly aids called Tafsir to understand it.

Did not I give you a reference to Science?., why do not you go and read, and answer the question.Show me where I talked about the brain, the verse did not to talk about the brain, it talks about the feeling in the skin. please go back and read the posts.

 

[outhouse]

give us facts, if you can,.

:biglaugh:


All you give is fantasy You embarrass good muslims everywhere.


My Childs dentist is muslim, I talked last night about this. He said ignore those with childish behavior fueled by ignorance.

 

[Harikrish]

Did not I give you a reference to Science?., why do not you go and read, and answer the question.Show me where I talked about the brain, the verse did not to talk about the brain, it talks about the feeling in the skin. please go back and read the posts.

The reason you did not talk about the brain is because your understanding is the brain is not involved in the recognition of pain. Read the scientific article you linked. When you touch something, the feeling is immediately sent to the brain via the spinal chord. The automatic reflex system which is also located in the Central Nervous System will cause your hand to withdraw immediately when the sensation rises about a threshold like fire burn or hot water scalding. That again is a function of the brain to preserve the body.

Under laboratory conditions patients have been hypnotized and asked to put their hands over a fire or needles pierced to create pain. None of the patients reported any sensation of pain during the experiments. There was nothing wrong with their skin. But the brain under hypnosis stopped reacting to signals from their hands. No brain no pain.

 

[YmirGF]

The reason you did not talk about the brain is because your understanding is the brain is not involved in the recognition of pain. Read the scientific article you linked. When you touch something, the feeling is immediately sent to the brain via the spinal chord. The automatic reflex system which is also located in the Central Nervous System will cause your hand to withdraw immediately when the sensation rises about a threshold like fire burn or hot water scalding. That again is a function of the brain to preserve the body.

Here I thought this was something that everyone knew.

 

[YmirGF]

If you do not understand, do not post. go back and read, and leave opinion aside, give us facts, if you can, if you can not , please do not populate the thread with non usefull post. Pleas go back and read the posts.

Why? You seem to reject or ignore anything that is presented to you. Is this supposed to be a reasonable discussion now?

 

[outhouse]

Why? You seem to reject or ignore anything that is presented to you. Is this supposed to be a reasonable discussion now?

muslims are required to denounce or ignore anything that shows negative on the korn.

There is never a debate or conversation from any of them on these topics.


The only ones that can and do give us great feedback, are those who with education, left the religion.

 

[Britedream]

The reason you did not talk about the brain is because your understanding is the brain is not involved in the recognition of pain. Read the scientific article you linked. When you touch something, the feeling is immediately sent to the brain via the spinal chord. The automatic reflex system which is also located in the Central Nervous System will cause your hand to withdraw immediately when the sensation rises about a threshold like fire burn or hot water scalding. That again is a function of the brain to preserve the body.

Under laboratory conditions patients have been hypnotized and asked to put their hands over a fire or needles pierced to create pain. None of the patients reported any sensation of pain during the experiments. There was nothing wrong with their skin. But the brain under hypnosis stopped reacting to signals from their hands. No brain no pain.

Did I asked for your opinion, how do you know, that I do not know, Do not assume things, I know about the brain more than you know, as I posted earlier, I know how brain works, with electric, chemical, and magnatic, and the signal travel from thalamus to cortex, but it is not the subject, the verse do not talk about brain. If you can not answer, that is fine. but do not bring something I am not discussing.