God explaining himself?

[blü 2]

Did mankind really invent God?

There's zero evidence to the contrary.

Didn't mankind do what they have always done: formulate Beliefs in an effort to understand.

Yep. And what they didn't understand they attributed to supernatural beings. Our brains automatically build a narrative to account for what we perceive ─ it's a very useful survival mechanism.

God is actually Someone. Since God doesn't just hand out knowledge, those who seek must do the work necessary to Discover God instead of accepting, rejecting, and depending or being satisfied with beliefs.

Why would a real God want to act as though [he] was purely conceptual / imaginary?

God isn't making laws or rules for people.

You may not believe you have a soul and it will be judged, I certainly don't believe that, but it's been steady Christian doctrine for the last millennium or so.

And to be clear, is it your view that God has any of the following qualities? ─ omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, perfection, benevolence, being eternal, being infinite? If so, which, exactly?

 

[Bird123]

There's zero evidence to the contrary.
Yep. And what they didn't understand they attributed to supernatural beings. Our brains automatically build a narrative to account for what we perceive ─ it's a very useful survival mechanism.
Why would a real God want to act as though [he] was purely conceptual / imaginary?
You may not believe you have a soul and it will be judged, I certainly don't believe that, but it's been steady Christian doctrine for the last millennium or so.

And to be clear, is it your view that God has any of the following qualities? ─ omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, perfection, benevolence, being eternal, being infinite? If so, which, exactly?

your quote:Why would a real God want to act as though [he] was purely conceptual / imaginary?
My Answer:If God does not just give all the answers, why would you expect God to supply you with the fact that God does exist? This is with everything. Supply clean energy and get off fossil fuels. Cure all disease and life is great.

There are very good reasons things are done the way they are. If God were to make Himself readily known, it would intimidate the choices people make. This would defeat the purpose of free choices.

your quote:And to be clear, is it your view that God has any of the following qualities? ─ omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, perfection, benevolence, being eternal, being infinite?

This is what I do know: God's IQ is off the charts we are but mere ants. God is working on multiple levels with multiple views. A few moments conversation with God will take a very intelligent person a week to realize all that was said. Who knows went over one's head and was never realized. This might be another reason God does not converse. Until one reaches a certain level of understanding, most would just be confused by the experience. Besides, I find very few who seek or really want to seek God.

Names are never needed. Everyone already knows who everyone is. You might not realize this , however you already know God. We all do.

God does not value those petty things mankind holds so dear like Ruling, Controlling, Judging, Condemning, Punishing, Wrath, Anger, Hate, creating a we against they, coercing, intimidating and the list goes on and on.

God is a joy to be around because unlike most people God does carry around all that baggage. Oh yes, the only one who will judge you is going to be yourself. When the time comes, go easy on yourself. Everything will work out in the end regardless.

God is Unconditional Love. Unconditional Love always Does what is best for the other. So many religions think it's all about God. In reality, for God, it's all about God's children. That is why this physical world even exists.

God is a Spiritual Being. We are Spiritual beings as well. We are placed in a physical body after birth when long time memories become possible in order to trap us within the time-based causal parameters of this universe.

This is what I know as Fact. On the other hand, there is more I do not know than I do. I am sure the direction toward what God is will be my path because it is forward to a much Higher Level than I have seen anywhere on Earth. As a Hungry Student I move forward.

I understand God system, what happens after death and why the world is as it is. Most people look at this world and see a mess. I look at this world and see a MASTERPIECE!! When you can see a Masterpiece, I know you will be well on your way.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[blü 2]

If God were to make Himself readily known, it would intimidate the choices people make. This would defeat the purpose of free choices.

People can only make choices using the decision-making processes that their genetics and experience have provided to their brain. An omnipotent omniscient God knows that, and has always known exactly what the circumstances and the choices will be.

your quote:And to be clear, is it your view that God has any of the following qualities? ─ omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, perfection, benevolence, being eternal, being infinite?

God's IQ is off the charts we are but mere ants. God is working on multiple levels with multiple views. A few moments conversation with God will take a very intelligent person a week to realize all that was said. Who knows went over one's head and was never realized. This might be another reason God does not converse. Until one reaches a certain level of understanding, most would just be confused by the experience. Besides, I find very few who seek or really want to seek God.[/quote] So you don't know whether God is omnipotent or omniscient or perfect or benevolent or eternal or infinite. Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Brian2]

According to the Bible, God creates evil (Isaiah 45:7). If the Bible is accurate, then it's incredibly irrational and absurd of God to get all morally indignant and angry about evil and kill off humanity for something he's personally responsible for in the first place. If he truly is all-knowing (Psalm 139:1-6; Isaiah 46:9-10; 1 John 3:20), all-powerful (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and is present everywhere simultaneously (Psalm 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17), then it stands to reason that he had foreknowledge that humanity would fall into sin and become morally corrupt. And despite having this foreknowledge, he creates Adam and Eve anyway, knowing full well that they will be tempted by the apple from the Tree of Life, they will disobey him, they will sin against him, and he will curse the rest of humanity for Adam's sin. In essence, God holds the rest of humanity morally responsible for Adam's sin, and he punishes every person born afterward for a sin that they didn't commit and had no control over. IMV, God punishing people born after Adam and Eve for a sin they didn't commit is sadistic and heinous. I can't speak for anyone else, but that's not a loving, merciful God to me.

As a matter of fact, Isaiah 45:7 is pretty clear that God admitted to creating evil.

KJV: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Evil:
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked, 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful, 3. Characterized by or indicating misfortune; ominous.

NIV: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

Disaster:
1. An occurrence causing widespread destruction and distress; a catastrophe; 2. A grave misfortune, and 3. A total failure.

ESV: "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things."

Calamity: 1. An event that brings terrible loss, lasting distress, or severe affliction; a disaster, 2. Dire distress resulting from loss or tragedy; 3. Any great misfortune or cause of misery; in general, any event or disaster which produces extensive evils, as loss of crops, earthquakes, etc., but also applied to any misfortune which brings great distress on a person; misfortune; distress; adversity.

When the Bible says that God creates evil, it does not mean moral evil, it means disasters and calamities. Earlier versions probably say "evil" but the correct meaning, which we can understand in this day and age,is in the later version.
But it does not mean that God causes all disasters that come on people.
God does allow them however. God created a paradise for Adam and Eve initially and they decided to do what He told them not to do and bring death on themselves. This death has been the fate of everyone since because we all have done moral evil. We do not get punished for the sin of Adam and Eve, we get punished for our sins. But we have inherited from Adam and Eve the decision to say for ourselves what is right and wrong and our parents (Adam and Eve) were not perfect in the practice of doing only what is right and we also are not perfect.
God made a paradise and God also knows the end and what He can cause to bring about, and that the end will make all this moral evil and suffering worth the journey.
It is easy to blame God for all things but when we do it we do it in ignorance.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

When the Bible says that God creates evil, it does not mean moral evil, it means disasters and calamities. Earlier versions probably say "evil" but the correct meaning, which we can understand in this day and age,is in the later version.
But it does not mean that God causes all disasters that come on people.
God does allow them however. God created a paradise for Adam and Eve initially and they decided to do what He told them not to do and bring death on themselves. This death has been the fate of everyone since because we all have done moral evil. We do not get punished for the sin of Adam and Eve, we get punished for our sins. But we have inherited from Adam and Eve the decision to say for ourselves what is right and wrong and our parents (Adam and Eve) were not perfect in the practice of doing only what is right and we also are not perfect.
God made a paradise and God also knows the end and what He can cause to bring about, and that the end will make all this moral evil and suffering worth the journey.
It is easy to blame God for all things but when we do it we do it in ignorance.

I was a Christian once, so I understand your desire and determination to defend God's character and defend your Christian faith. I'm not surprised that you object to the notion that I believe God creates moral evil based on the King James version and on the other factors I mentioned in my other post. I knew that there would be Christians who objected to my post, and that's why I included the definitions of evil, disaster, and calamity and posted a link to Bible Hub, which shows Isaiah 45:7 in multiple Bible versions. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the true meaning of the verse because you won't change my mind and I doubt I will ever change yours.

 

[Bird123]

People can only make choices using the decision-making processes that their genetics and experience have provided to their brain. An omnipotent omniscient God knows that, and has always known exactly what the circumstances and the choices will be.
God's IQ is off the charts we are but mere ants. God is working on multiple levels with multiple views. A few moments conversation with God will take a very intelligent person a week to realize all that was said. Who knows went over one's head and was never realized. This might be another reason God does not converse. Until one reaches a certain level of understanding, most would just be confused by the experience. Besides, I find very few who seek or really want to seek God.

So you don't know whether God is omnipotent or omniscient or perfect or benevolent or eternal or infinite. Okay, thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE]


God is eternal and so are we all. The term eternal is based upon the physical laws of this universe. A spiritual being is not bound by the physical laws of this universe such as time. Even quantum physics is showing the possibility of many dimensions including one without time.

Now that you mention it, God is big on what is. That probably isn't a good description for you. On the other hand, it might help you understand.

As for God knowing it all, since I do not know everything God knows, I really could not say. On the other hand, even if God knew it all, including one's every choice, it would not change a single thing. Remember, this physical world exists for us. For God, it's all about us.

Now, look at this world. If all the physics adds up, so will the people factor. Hmmm? This world is staring us all in the face. Put the puzzle together. Start with Eb and Flow. Surely there are pieces everyone can see.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[blü 2]

God is eternal and so are we all.

Actually I'm very grateful I'm not. We're all animals and animals have their lifespan and that's it. Eternity is a synonym for never-to-be-relieved tedium ─ or (as Woody Allen is said to have said) Eternity is very long, especially towards the end. If you ever locate those alternative temporal dimensions in reality, drop me a line and I'll consider reconsidering.

 

[rational experiences]

Human man says God is explaining himself.

God penis owner himself.

Who is human man with God.

Two he says a human and the man.

Yet you're one. Just argued with yourself.

What are you doing.....God inferred human term.

Living man..breathing man. Needing water and food to exist.

Doing terms.

As you theoried what are doing terms.

Not what were the doing terms. Were meaning you cannot know you were not there.

Were and were not same. No knowledge.

 

[rational experiences]

So you don't know whether God is omnipotent or omniscient or perfect or benevolent or eternal or infinite. Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

God is eternal and so are we all. The term eternal is based upon the physical laws of this universe. A spiritual being is not bound by the physical laws of this universe such as time. Even quantum physics is showing the possibility of many dimensions including one without time.

Now that you mention it, God is big on what is. That probably isn't a good description for you. On the other hand, it might help you understand.

As for God knowing it all, since I do not know everything God knows, I really could not say. On the other hand, even if God knew it all, including one's every choice, it would not change a single thing. Remember, this physical world exists for us. For God, it's all about us.

Now, look at this world. If all the physics adds up, so will the people factor. Hmmm? This world is staring us all in the face. Put the puzzle together. Start with Eb and Flow. Surely there are pieces everyone can see.

That's what I see. It's very clear!![/QUOTE]
Clear.

Man says I think. I'm not God.

Clear I want it for science lying immaculate.

God earth plus immaculate stretched gases by space clear. No light no see.

Is that clear enough advice?

 

[Kfox]

OK, so one of the qualities of God is that he is ineffable - at least to us humans and presumably not to himself...

But he is also all-powerful...

So wouldn't that mean that he is capable of explaining the mysteries of his true nature to we humans?

Just because he can explain it doesn't mean we will be able to understand it.

 

[Bird123]

Actually I'm very grateful I'm not. We're all animals and animals have their lifespan and that's it. Eternity is a synonym for never-to-be-relieved tedium ─ or (as Woody Allen is said to have said) Eternity is very long, especially towards the end. If you ever locate those alternative temporal dimensions in reality, drop me a line and I'll consider reconsidering.

You must widen your view beyond the mere surface. Further, it doesn't matter what you believe. It's what is that counts.

Yes, eternity is a very long time. On the other hand, there will be plenty to do. Eternity has purpose.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

God is eternal and so are we all. The term eternal is based upon the physical laws of this universe. A spiritual being is not bound by the physical laws of this universe such as time. Even quantum physics is showing the possibility of many dimensions including one without time.

Now that you mention it, God is big on what is. That probably isn't a good description for you. On the other hand, it might help you understand.

As for God knowing it all, since I do not know everything God knows, I really could not say. On the other hand, even if God knew it all, including one's every choice, it would not change a single thing. Remember, this physical world exists for us. For God, it's all about us.

Now, look at this world. If all the physics adds up, so will the people factor. Hmmm? This world is staring us all in the face. Put the puzzle together. Start with Eb and Flow. Surely there are pieces everyone can see.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Clear.

Man says I think. I'm not God.

Clear I want it for science lying immaculate.

God earth plus immaculate stretched gases by space clear. No light no see.

Is that clear enough advice?[/QUOTE]


Your concern in these matters does not focus on what is important. The answers have always lived beyond this physical world. Perhaps, it's time to let in go in favor of the new direction which is staring you in the face.

The physical world is no more than a stage. It's the play that matters the most. What is it telling you? What are you learning? How are you growing??

It's never ever been about telling. It's about Discovering, Learning and Growing, moving ever forward.

Are you moving forward or simply believing that mere telling is what makes one important? As I said, it has never ever been about telling. Your importance stems from all the other things that make you you!!! It doesn't require telling to shine.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[blü 2]

You must widen your view beyond the mere surface. Further, it doesn't matter what you believe. It's what is that counts.

Yes, eternity is a very long time. On the other hand, there will be plenty to do. Eternity has purpose.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

If that's what you see then no doubt it's very clear to you.

It bears no resemblance to what I see.

Ah well.

 

[rational experiences]

Clear.

Man says I think. I'm not God.

Clear I want it for science lying immaculate.

God earth plus immaculate stretched gases by space clear. No light no see.

Is that clear enough advice?

Your concern in these matters does not focus on what is important. The answers have always lived beyond this physical world. Perhaps, it's time to let in go in favor of the new direction which is staring you in the face.

The physical world is no more than a stage. It's the play that matters the most. What is it telling you? What are you learning? How are you growing??

It's never ever been about telling. It's about Discovering, Learning and Growing, moving ever forward.

Are you moving forward or simply believing that mere telling is what makes one important? As I said, it has never ever been about telling. Your importance stems from all the other things that make you you!!! It doesn't require telling to shine.

That's what I see. It's very clear!![/QUOTE]
There isn't any answer beyond a physical world as a human thinking says I would not exist either.

Only human theists pretend not existing first. Not owning the true human life and bio position. How dangerous you are.

It's why humans hated you.

A coercer says by human total thought as I die as biology I never really existed is my fact. A summary is first advice as a human stating my own fact.

From present to future. Not present to past as that advice is decomposing human dead body.

Is not a thesis.

For some reason you total a life as a human in a thesis ....then pretend you don't really exist in life as a human as you already bio die.

Is not rational humans advice.

The theist is exactly described as the destroyer.

As clear is only dark night clear gases.

That are by God terms already burning sacrificed owning life supports balances as the rest of its mass not burning. Clear.

Never could you theory heavens coldest gases but today you want it inside of a hot machines reaction.

Statement only bio life owned the immaculate support.

You get science gas out of burning the cold earth mass yourself as sciences mans owning god. Humans sciences.

Not the heavens ever.

 

[Bird123]

Your concern in these matters does not focus on what is important. The answers have always lived beyond this physical world. Perhaps, it's time to let in go in favor of the new direction which is staring you in the face.

The physical world is no more than a stage. It's the play that matters the most. What is it telling you? What are you learning? How are you growing??

It's never ever been about telling. It's about Discovering, Learning and Growing, moving ever forward.

Are you moving forward or simply believing that mere telling is what makes one important? As I said, it has never ever been about telling. Your importance stems from all the other things that make you you!!! It doesn't require telling to shine.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

There isn't any answer beyond a physical world as a human thinking says I would not exist either.

Only human theists pretend not existing first. Not owning the true human life and bio position. How dangerous you are.

It's why humans hated you.

A coercer says by human total thought as I die as biology I never really existed is my fact. A summary is first advice as a human stating my own fact.

From present to future. Not present to past as that advice is decomposing human dead body.

Is not a thesis.

For some reason you total a life as a human in a thesis ....then pretend you don't really exist in life as a human as you already bio die.

Is not rational humans advice.

The theist is exactly described as the destroyer.

As clear is only dark night clear gases.

That are by God terms already burning sacrificed owning life supports balances as the rest of its mass not burning. Clear.

Never could you theory heavens coldest gases but today you want it inside of a hot machines reaction.

Statement only bio life owned the immaculate support.

You get science gas out of burning the cold earth mass yourself as sciences mans owning god. Humans sciences.

Not the heavens ever.[/QUOTE]


It is not thesis I speak of. Facts that have yet to be Discovered by you either do not exist for you or exist in thesis. If you insist the answers only exist in the physical, you are choosing to go round and round chasing your tail never quite finding the real solutions you seek. Those who need to change but refuse dredge on hurting until they realize it is easier to change than continue as they are.

It doesn't matter what everyone else does. It's what you choose to do that counts. People can choose to hate me, however this is their choice until they realize that the price for hate will always be too high. Upon receiving the hate of others, I will choose to return only Unconditional Love. Why? After all that I have Discovered, Unconditional Love is the only viable choice my Intelligence could ever make.

Don't you see? There is nothing physical about all that really counts. Your journey has always been about the sum of all your free choices. How are you doing on your free choices? Happy? If not, you can always change the choices you make. After all, it is you in the driver's seat.

In this physical world, some hold dearly onto possessions. In the pain of not getting exactly what they want, they focus and hold onto the hurt sometimes for a lifetime.

It has never been about what one doesn't have. It's about what one can Discover, Learn, and Grow with what one does have. From here one can shine, teach, and nurture the goodness in others even if by no others means than by example. Often so much more can be taught through example than could ever be done by simply telling.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[rational experiences]

The human review.

Science says my biological age is using the exact time number.

Science fact.

I loved be ...I actually wrote I live within an atmosphere that is same amount of light to the same amount of darkness.

Hence I cannot own any theory.

Pretty basic use science as human intelligence as natural thought first. Natural observation first so you don't lie.