That's fine.
I was just explaining why a nonbelievers might still be offended if they're told they're going to hell. Because even though they don't believe in hell, they can still take a dim view of people who think they deserve to be tortured.
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God gave us mind to know Him,or deny Him?
- Thread starter Godobeyer
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I was just explaining why a nonbelievers might still be offended if they're told they're going to hell. Because even though they don't believe in hell, they can still take a dim view of people who think they deserve to be tortured.
For my information many theories of evolution,
This is commun one,I guess in part of analysing present it's will updated, but it's not apply in past(millions of years),
These current theory for next generations,will certainly be old one as Darwin,and not valid.
No problem.That's fine.
Personally I don't offended by faiths,I don't believe in,in case of future (hell/heaven),for present maybe.
There's evolution. There's the body of explanation surrounding it, the detail of which can still be updated. But to say there are multiple, and that we might swap in one for another, demonstrates a lack of genuine reading into the area.
I do believe this current evolution partly will be not valid,next 50 years .exactly as happened with Darwin one.
That's science. But the core of it is by now unassailable, due to the sheer wealth of evidence and predictability.
I must agree with you here. Evolution between the same species has been proven but migration of species is only a theory. Parallel evolution is more according to science where the animal, vegetable and mineral kingdoms each evolve along their own line and humans are a different species which develop parallel to the other kingdoms.
That is why a human body preserved in mummies thousands of years ago looks the same as now because it is not another species but only human.
I've never heard of parallel evolution outside members of the Baha'i Faith if I'm honest.
Well our understanding is that all the 'Kingdoms' evolve within themselves but do not cross migrate. So a stone can never evolve into an animal or an animal into a human. Stones can evolve into other stones and animals can develop different species within their own kingdom but that's all. So too humans develop into different colors and outward appearances so we have Asian and Caucasian and European but still all human.
According to the Baha'i Teachings, man was always man from the first cell, never an ape. Look at the foetus of a human as an example. It changes form and shape, but from the very outset it is a human embryo even though at first it looks nothing like it.
Now see evolution in the same manner. At first, millions of years ago we may have looked nothing like we do now, but like the embryo, we were always human.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
An interesting, but not unexpected stance to take, @Godobeyer. Life would be so much simpler if we all believed the same things. One thought I had whilst reading the thread title was, "Why does it have to be an either or thing?" Rest assured though, not too many of us non-believers think that science has reached a maximum level. I'd be inclined to say that science, as we know, is much like a toddler and has a great ways to go yet. So far, our initial steps are quite promising.
The second part of my thought was that you are making a quite natural assumption based on your beliefs that our intelligence and resulting adaptability are a gift from "god". In all honesty, we don't know precisely how consciousness came into our being and are not in any kind of position to say what ultimately was the cause of our current state. Should we be thankful to the unknown?
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muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
You clearly don't know Almighty God .. it's not superstition, it's a lot more than that!
Attrocities? That's human beings for you .. don't blame God .. war is a result of enmity between humans.
The relation between God and evolution is that He is the designer of all .. there would be no universe, no evolution without Him.
gnostic
The Lost One
But a large number of people are not educated in science:That's what most of people believe in
- due to people focusing their career and education in other non-scientific areas, like business, trades, owning shops that sell products, farming, etc,
- due to poverty in population,
- and due to lack of infrastructures in the poor countries.
- How many children and young adults in Muslim-majority countries get the education required to get careers in science and technology?
- And of those groups that do, how many of them become qualified biologists?
I have no idea myself of the global Muslim demographics, but I am guessing that those who do become biologists, would only represent a fraction of 1% of the hundreds of millions of Muslims.
And it would be the same in other global demographics of non-Muslim societies. Not everyone chooses to do higher education in biology, and even less people get involve in astronomy and cosmology.
That being the case, then without the education and experiences, how many people who don't believe in evolution or the Big Bang or whatever scientific discoveries, then the numbers you are talking about are really meaningless.
They call it,because part of it study the current evolution, they link it to Darwin theory , but in fact it's like "guess" on it historic part,that's why call it "theory".
"Give it a name" would not work with me.
Theory of evolution is updated , and will updated thats my point.
They (in future) will reject some of current parts of it.as what done to Darwin.
You are misinformed. Either about evolution specifically, about what "theory" means in science, or about what evidence really exists.
Or some combination of those.
Do you think that makes it possible for speciation (what is called somewhat "hopefully" "macro-evolution" by some) to no longer happen, or no longer be known to have happened and remain happening?
That makes about as much sense as hoping gravity to no longer be known in a few decades.
No, you are wrong. Perhaps simply unaware?
Frankly, that is not even a respectful thing to say about the idea of deity.
And that is coming from someone who disapproves of the use of the concept.
Uh... unfortunately, you are lying. Quite strongly, too.
That much is true.
But only a serious situation of misinformation might explain your hopes that speciation will be someday shown to be false.
It is not something that people "believe in". It is known and evidenced.