God has a plan for everyone.

[Terrywoodenpic]

You contradicted yourself. You said, "I have never believed that God has personal plans for us as a destiny" and "Nor is there any evidence of their being one." Then you say, "it is clear he has set mankind a task, to be curators of this world, and to live in love and peace."

No contradiction ...

1) there are no personal plans
2) He has set mankind a "task" not a plan to follow.

How we complete that task, or not, is down to us as we choose.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It is often said that God has a plan for everyone. So. . . .

Bangladesh baby born with two heads dies from heart failure


What was the plan?

"I am not taking about this Bangladesh case."

But that is what this thread is about, so please do.

Is the thread about the girls, and we should leave God out of it, or is it about God having plans for each one of us and you used the girls to bring doubt about God?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

So God used them as a conversation starter?

If you can be bothered to respond, at least be bothered to read the entire post you're responding to. This will help eliminate, or reduce, embarrassing incidents.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It is often said that God has a plan for everyone. So. . . .

Bangladesh baby born with two heads dies from heart failure

What was the plan?

I'd like to ask a question in reply to your question,

Do you believe that everyone who is born, God has created? i.e., were YOU created by God?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

If you can be bothered to respond, at least be bothered to read the entire post you're responding to. This will help eliminate, or reduce, embarrassing incidents.

These are your words, "To give you a reason to make this thread".

"This will help eliminate, or reduce, embarrassing incidents"

I am sorry if I embarrassed you.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

No contradiction ...

1) there are no personal plans
2) He has set mankind a "task" not a plan to follow.

How we complete that task, or not, is down to us as we choose.

I think you may be trying to divide along some ambiguous lines here.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Then why not simply create them in Heaven, or have them be still born? Why have them born as a two headed baby, that dies to heart failure?

Because that contradicts my theist worldview?

I am uncomfortable with the cognative dissonance, so I will deal with the inevitable contradictions by explaining that my paltry worldly view is not sufficiently gnostic to understand the complexity of god's infinite plan?

That way, I get to go on deluding myself and feel good that god is good and I am good for believing in him?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I am sorry if I embarrassed you.

And now it's just getting sad.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

It is often said that God has a plan for everyone. So. . . .



Bangladesh baby born with two heads dies from heart failure


What was the plan?

Whatever the plan is it hasn't ended because they are gone.
People are still talking about them.
How could we possibly know what God's plan is for another?

This thread is just another excuse to make accusations against God.

Yes,

It's an international story, we are all reminded of the frailty & value of life, that our bodies are extremely complex and sensitive to damage, that we are extremely lucky to receive the gift of a healthy body, and that we should look after it.

We also admire those who did their best to help this baby, because it was a human life, whatever the odds against success- they did not discard this life because it was merely inconvenient to them.

There will always be things we don't understand, that we can use as arguments against God,

atheism of the gaps?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I'd like to ask a question in reply to your question,

Do you believe that everyone who is born, God has created? i.e., were YOU created by God?

Are you trying to make this conversation about me? I have no plans of directly sharing my views on God, as I think it just becomes a us vs. them type of deal. At any rate, you don't need to know my personal views on God to address the question.

 

[YmirGF]

*The strong atheist rushes to the support of the meme of god's plan....*

"the best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry" is a proverb for a reason ya know.

Exit question: Have you never made exhaustive plans, where you figured out "all" the angles, and still had the thing go sideways for some unforeseen reason?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

And now it's just getting sad.

Is it?

Let's run it down. . .

This is what you said, "This will help eliminate, or reduce, embarrassing incidents."

There were two people in the exchange, you and I. I was not embarrassed, therefore if someone was embarrassed it must have been you.

I know you think you are clever, but really you are just a rude person that has of yet to say anything of value in this thread.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I think you may be trying to divide along some ambiguous lines here.

Nothing ambiguous there...
We have free will, nothing is preordained.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Is it?

Let's run it down. . .

This is what you said, "This will help eliminate, or reduce, embarrassing incidents."

There were two people in the exchange, you and I. I was not embarrassed, therefore if someone was embarrassed it must have been you.

I know you think you are clever, but really you are just a rude person that has of yet to say anything of value in this thread.

And the self-inflicted pain continues.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

All too often, people consider to be true that which merely "feels true" to them, or "feels right", is comforting, or desirable to them. Unfortunately, this is no guarantee that it actually is true. I count the notion that God has a plan for us as among those notions which are most largely held because it feels good to hold them.

So do you think it functions as some vague answer to the question "Why are we here?" Would that be enough to satisfy purpose and direction in life? Or do you think people need something more defined?

 

[Father Heathen]

The way the article was written is annoying. It wasn't a single baby with two heads. It was two babies who shared a single body.

A very sad loss, though.

As for "god", if such a thing exists I think it would more like a force rather than some sort of calculating being laying out an elaborate, complex plan devoid of chance and chaos. If the universe was entirely scripted, the whole screenplay etched in stone with no possible deviation or divergence, what would be the point?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Nothing ambiguous there...
We have free will, nothing is preordained.

Well, I did't really ask if we have free will.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

The way the article is written is annoying. It wasn't a single baby with two heads. It was two babies who shared a single body.

I agree.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

*The strong atheist rushes to the support of the meme of god's plan....*

"the best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry" is a proverb for a reason ya know.

Exit question: Have you never made exhaustive plans, where you figured out "all" the angles, and still had the thing go sideways for some unforeseen reason?

Are you suggesting it went bad because God lost control over the situation?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Yes,

It's an international story, we are all reminded of the frailty & value of life, that our bodies are extremely complex and sensitive to damage, that we are extremely lucky to receive the gift of a healthy body, and that we should look after it.

We also admire those who did their best to help this baby, because it was a human life, whatever the odds against success- they did not discard this life because it was merely inconvenient to them.

There will always be things we don't understand, that we can use as arguments against God,

atheism of the gaps?

Why do you see it as an "argument against God"?