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God has a plan for everyone.

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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Psalm 119 the Lambda octet has 'All things are your servants'
Jer 32:40 'I will make a new covenant and I will never turn from doing you good and put my spirit in you and you will not turn from following me' but that is regarding those in the new covenant

I think God does have a plan for everyone but not the same
'all things work together FOR THOSE WHO LOVE GOD' says Romans 8:28
There are plans for the elect

Jer 19:11 says ' I know the plans I have for you plans of good and not of calamity to give you a future and a hope' but that applied to those carried off to Babylon and the plans for those in Jerusalem were disastrous. There was a prior parable of good and bad figs.... good figs carried to Babylon bad figs left in Jerusalem.... not the way one might have expected

God's plans are not the worlds plans
 
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djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Jeremiahcp said:
Are you trying to make this conversation about me? I have no plans of directly sharing my views on God, as I think it just becomes a us vs. them type of deal. At any rate, you don't need to know my personal views on God to address the question.
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Lol! Just another thread to blame God for something!
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Jeremiahcp said:
Are you suggesting it went bad because God lost control over the situation?
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Nope. I'm looking at it from the angle that we exist in a world of probability and even the best laid plans could find themselves thwarted by the inherent randomness involved. In the sense, the alleged "planner" or "Capt. Plan", would be completely aware of the element of chance involved in a game of its own creation. In essence, due to probability and the randomness thereof, it all becomes a craps shoot.
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
djhwoodwerks said:
You're actually going to act innocent and ask that question?
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I think you are seeing what you want to see. You wish to view me as an opponent but really I am more interested in the claim that God has a plan for all of us, then I am about God itself.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
God knows all and is in the process of learning all.
If you can rap your head around that then try this one.
We are the one's doing the learning here on earth in this place that has been rightly called God's school house.
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
allfoak said:
God knows all and is in the process of learning all.
If you can rap your head around that then try this one.
We are the one's doing the learning here on earth in this place that has been rightly called God's school house.
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"If you can rap your head around that then try this one."

Since it a nonsensical statement, it seems you can't wrap your head around it; but I am sure you are gonna take that as confirmation of your position.
 
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djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Jeremiahcp said:
I think you are seeing what you want to see. You wish to view me as an opponent but really I am more interested in the claim that God has a plan for all of us, then I am about God itself.
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Yes, I view you as an opponent. You say you are "more interested in the claim that God has a plan for all of us", but use the sad example of a 2 headed child that dies. Why did you use THAT example for your post? Why not use an example of a wealthy, healthy person? I perceive your agenda as portraying God as evil or unloving or sadistic. I
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
djhwoodwerks said:
Yes, I view you as an opponent. You say you are "more interested in the claim that God has a plan for all of us", but use the sad example of a 2 headed child that dies. Why did you use THAT example for your post? Why not use an example of a wealthy, healthy person? I perceive your agenda as portraying God as evil or unloving or sadistic. I
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"I perceive your agenda as portraying God as evil or unloving or sadistic."

I think you see what you want to see, but despite what you think, your actual beliefs are not that important to me. I am more interested in exploring the various concepts surrounding God, but I could care less if people believe or don't believe in God. Generally I think this whole us-vs.-them mentally more often than not just gets in the way of intellectual progress. I think people focus too much on what others believe than what they are saying.

What I am wondering now, is what makes a person like you so defensive when it comes to God. Is it insecurity? Or is it something else?
 
Guy Threepwood

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Jeremiahcp said:
You were not talking about just atheists.

You said,"There will always be things we don't understand, that we can use as arguments against God, "
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Meaning things that one can use as arguments against God, if one does not understand them

If that's better grammar, your royal Heinous! :)
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
YmirGF said:
Nope. I'm looking at it from the angle that we exist in a world of probability and even the best laid plans could find themselves thwarted by the inherent randomness involved. In the sense, the alleged "planner" or "Capt. Plan", would be completely aware of the element of chance involved in a game of its own creation. In essence, due to probability and the randomness thereof, it all becomes a craps shoot.
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I am not sure I could agree something is random if it is planned, even if it is a planned probability.
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Guy Threepwood said:
Meaning things that one can use as arguments against God, if one does not understand them

If that's better grammar, your royal Heinous! :)
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I am sorry, but I am still waiting for someone to explain to me exactly how it is used as an argument against God. Two of you have made such a claim, but neither one of you have explained how. You can point at atheist or this supposed "one" but you made the claim, so you must think there is a argument there even if you don't agree with that argument.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
Jeremiahcp said:
"If you can rap your head around that then try this one."

Since it a nonsensical statement, it seems you can't wrap your head around it; but I am sure you are gonna take that as confirmation of your position.
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It is a simple paradox.
I gave a solution to the paradox in the last sentence but of course it was not understood.
God does have a plan for us all, it is to bring us home.
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
allfoak said:
It is a simple paradox.
I gave a solution to the paradox in the last sentence but of course it was not understood.
God does have a plan for us all, it is to bring us home.
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"It is a simple paradox."

Paradox is a cover up word that people use to hide a contradiction.
 
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