God has a plan for everyone.

[wicketkeeper]

To satisfy curiosity - in my understanding there is only God, all form is a fleeting manifestation of God's own being. So there is only God's will, there is only God's existence, all phenomena rise and fall within the consciousness that is God in His Infinity.

THIS nails it ! My wife and I were engaged in a deep conversation which your post sums up.

Me: I am not here(kitchen). I am you, and you are me. I am the room in which we sit, but, remember I am not here. You are not here. It is a paradox.
My wife: smiles. She says their is but One. God is All.
Me: It is the mind which argues with itself and others ! It is the mind which causes the problems.

I'll conclude my post here.

Blessings in Jesus to all who read these words.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Then what would be your answer to the same question?

If there is God, and this God has a plan, then I am sure it is beyond my capability to understand. So that means it is up to us to find meaning in such lives on our own.

 

[Kirran]

I'm not sure there is a fundamental disagreement then. I understand us as God's 'children', we are an extension of his will, as is all physical reality. None of it could exist without him. Without creative intelligence there is no creative mechanism- nothing can exist.
would you agree with this?

I don't think I'd really talk about it in terms of intelligence. I think Creation is just what happens afresh in every moment, not something which occurred at some point in time or over some defined period.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Which makes


If there is God, and this God has a plan, then I am sure it is beyond my capability to understand. So that means it is up to us to find meaning in such lives on our own.

That's his plan... you have to look for the meaning yourself- just don't be surprised if you find God!

 

[allfoak]

You saw me, or rather the question, as an opponent, I had to break that to have any useful conversation on the topic.

Which makes me wonder how much this us-vs-them impedes fruitful discussion.

We are on a message board posting on a thread that is under the heading of general religious debate.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I don't know the answers to your questions beyond to say that the notion God has a plan for us seems to comfort some people I know.

Do you think perhaps, this idea that God has a plan for everyone can actually help people find purpose in their lives? If you believe there is a plan then it is just a question of what that plan is, which could cause a person to search out meaning in their lives. This could actually serve to focus people in a more productive manner. Unless of course their decided purpose is counterproductive in some way. Like drinking the poison Kool-Aid.

 

[Cephus]

I don't know the answers to your questions beyond to say that the notion God has a plan for us seems to comfort some people I know.

Whether it is comforting or not is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is whether it is factually true or not. Just clinging to a comforting idea doesn't make that idea a good one. Just ask the victims of the German people who clung to the idea that they were the master race, or Hitler, who liked the idea that God told him to slaughter the Jews.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

"I perceive your agenda as portraying God as evil or unloving or sadistic."

I think you see what you want to see, but despite what you think, your actual beliefs are not that important to me. I am more interested in exploring the various concepts surrounding God, but I could care less if people believe or don't believe in God. Generally I think this whole us-vs.-them mentally more often than not just gets in the way of intellectual progress. I think people focus too much on what others believe than what they are saying.

What I am wondering now, is what makes a person like you so defensive when it comes to God. Is it insecurity? Or is it something else?

That is not important either!

Really? Then why use the example of a 2 headed child that dies, why not leave it an unbiased post?

I'm not being defensive about God, but about your post.

It is often said that God has a plan for everyone. So. . . .

Bangladesh baby born with two heads dies from heart failure

What was the plan?

You're post is about God's plan for each of us, and you use an example of a 2 headed child that dies from heart failure, what's the point of the post if not to accuse God of having evil plans for some?

 

[jonathan180iq]

It is often said that God has a plan for everyone. So. . . .



Bangladesh baby born with two heads dies from heart failure


What was the plan?

IF there was a god...

Sometimes the plan is ****ty because God does some pretty ****ty things. I think more Theists need to come to terms with the described nature of their pet deities - they can then have more intellectually honest and theologically productive conversations.

 

[allfoak]

The subject of whether God has a plan for everyone is predestination and the other side of the coin of course is free will.
Another paradox.
Both things are true.
God has a plan and we have a choice.

There is an explanation but it is based on a concept that we have an eternal soul that returns here for perhaps countless lifetimes.
The Zohar calls it the transmigration of the soul.
It is not widely accepted so i am usually not understood.
Here goes.

This means that God has created a place where we can do whatever we please because there are Laws set in place that will eventually cause us to "grow up" as we gain more experience.
The plan is for God to learn all there is to know through us.
We are willing participants in the greatest story ever told.
We even get to tell it.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

This is where it started and this is where it will end, it is predestined.
We who were there in the beginning are also there in the end.

 

[allfoak]

The hermetic teachings and most of the ancient religions if looked at closely enough, teach that All is Mind.
This means that we exist within the mind of God.

Acts 17:28
For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.

 

[suncowiam]

It is often said that God has a plan for everyone. So. . . .



Bangladesh baby born with two heads dies from heart failure


What was the plan?

Don't ask why. We're not allowed to do that. Just have faith.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Don't ask why. We're not allowed to do that. Just have faith.

I didn't ask why I asked what.

 

[Sunstone]

Whether it is comforting or not is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is whether it is factually true or not. Just clinging to a comforting idea doesn't make that idea a good one. Just ask the victims of the German people who clung to the idea that they were the master race, or Hitler, who liked the idea that God told him to slaughter the Jews.

You're preaching to the choir.

 

[Sunstone]

Do you think perhaps, this idea that God has a plan for everyone can actually help people find purpose in their lives? If you believe there is a plan then it is just a question of what that plan is, which could cause a person to search out meaning in their lives. This could actually serve to focus people in a more productive manner. Unless of course their decided purpose is counterproductive in some way. Like drinking the poison Kool-Aid.

That's an interesting question. I find there is no intrinsic purpose or meaning to life, but I can see how -- in theory at least -- believing God has a plan for everyone would help someone who conceived of his or her life as having a meaning or purpose to stick with that notion through good times and bad.

 

[psychoslice]

I have a plan also and it doesn't involve a god.

 

[allfoak]

I have a plan also and it doesn't involve a god.

My plan is better than your plan.
And who said God was involved in any of this?
That would mean a change of plans.

 

[psychoslice]

My plan is better than your plan.
And who said God was involved in any of this?
That would mean a change of plans.

Ha, you must be blind ?.

 

[suncowiam]

I didn't ask why I asked what.

Uh OK. Then don't ask what...
Blah blah... Have faith.

 

[allfoak]

Ha, you must be blind ?.

Blind?