God has chosen to remain anonymous & mysterious over the millennia...

[timothy1027]

In over 4,423 years of religious scriptures (since 2,400 BCE), nobody has ever provided any proof or even convincing evidence that any Gods exists or not. Therefore, it is impossible for anyone to claim any of God's attributes (e.g., creator of the Universe, all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing, wise, perfect, jealous, loving) or what God wants, thinks, did, said, etc. etc. etc. As far as I can tell, God (if he exists) has chosen to remain anonymous & mysterious over the millennia. I don't make the rules, I just play the game (live a productive life). (Tim Barber updated 7/18/23).

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Have you thought that you might just not see God, because you expect God to be a certain thing?

 

[syo]

In over 4,423 years of religious scriptures (since 2,400 BCE), nobody has ever provided any proof or even convincing evidence that any Gods exists or not. Therefore, it is impossible for anyone to claim any of God's attributes (e.g., creator of the Universe, all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing, wise, perfect, jealous, loving) or what God wants, thinks, did, said, etc. etc. etc. As far as I can tell, God (if he exists) has chosen to remain anonymous & mysterious over the millennia. I don't make the rules, I just play the game (live a productive life). (Tim Barber updated 7/18/23).

Haha! Yeah right...

 

[CharmingOwl]

I just think he is too distant to interact with so the other gods need to be intermediaries.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I have found there is something we might call gods but that religion is slanting, and personification and all kinds of bull****. (if I can't swear tell me and I won't) I do believe though, that there is something between all that. the one incomprehensible, everything at once, that thing

 

[Twilight Hue]

In over 4,423 years of religious scriptures (since 2,400 BCE), nobody has ever provided any proof or even convincing evidence that any Gods exists or not. Therefore, it is impossible for anyone to claim any of God's attributes (e.g., creator of the Universe, all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing, wise, perfect, jealous, loving) or what God wants, thinks, did, said, etc. etc. etc. As far as I can tell, God (if he exists) has chosen to remain anonymous & mysterious over the millennia. I don't make the rules, I just play the game (live a productive life). (Tim Barber updated 7/18/23).

Maybe it's because God was a personal thing and never a community thing.

 

[timothy1027]

Maybe it's because God was a personal thing and never a community thing.

I guess I should now update my post to say, "nobody has ever provided any proof or even convincing evidence that any type of God or Gods (personal, community, etc) exists or not." What do you think?

 

[Astravalon]

Well, the fact that a belief in God/Gods has persisted up to this point suggests that what constitutes "convincing evidence" is a YMMV kind of thing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I guess I should now update my post to say, "nobody has ever provided any proof or even convincing evidence that any type of God or Gods (personal, community, etc) exists or not." What do you think?

Well in the real universe we live in , I have no reason to think a god or gods exists anywhere, nor can it be enabled to interact in any tactile manner.

In your head, your thoughts and dreams however, God most definitely exists, alive and kicking if one desires so, as it's a part of that living organism called 'you'. When you die, your God, if you have or desire one , dies with you.

That's my own personal take on it.

 

[Windwalker]

I guess I should now update my post to say, "nobody has ever provided any proof or even convincing evidence that any type of God or Gods (personal, community, etc) exists or not." What do you think?

If you experienced it, you'd be convinced.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If you experienced it, you'd be convinced.

I experienced it and am convinced it's your own psyche that manifests God as a real entity. A mental puppet which serves as an extension of oneself.

 

[Windwalker]

I experienced it and am convinced it's your own psyche that manifests God as a real entity. A mental puppet which serves as an extension of oneself.

Describe your experience.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Describe your experience.

I chose not to keep that mental puppet anymore and put down Christianity when I realized God is completely ineffective and non existent in the waking world effectively shattering the rose colored glasses and the insular stained glass environment I had dwelled in for decades.

I now only need conversations with myself, the universe.

As Alan Watts puts it, "The real you".

 

[SalixIncendium]

In over 4,423 years of religious scriptures (since 2,400 BCE), nobody has ever provided any proof or even convincing evidence that any Gods exists or not. Therefore, it is impossible for anyone to claim any of God's attributes (e.g., creator of the Universe, all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing, wise, perfect, jealous, loving) or what God wants, thinks, did, said, etc. etc. etc. As far as I can tell, God (if he exists) has chosen to remain anonymous & mysterious over the millennia. I don't make the rules, I just play the game (live a productive life). (Tim Barber updated 7/18/23).

So in this, you not only support the existence of God, but that God chooses. What evidence do you have to support this?

 

[Schwarzweg]

In over 4,423 years of religious scriptures (since 2,400 BCE), nobody has ever provided any proof or even convincing evidence that any Gods exists or not. Therefore, it is impossible for anyone to claim any of God's attributes (e.g., creator of the Universe, all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing, wise, perfect, jealous, loving) or what God wants, thinks, did, said, etc. etc. etc. As far as I can tell, God (if he exists) has chosen to remain anonymous & mysterious over the millennia. I don't make the rules, I just play the game (live a productive life). (Tim Barber updated 7/18/23).

Anonym und geheimnisvoll ?
Den gibts ganz einfach nicht !
Schonmal SO gedacht ?
Aber weiter im Text..........................
LG

 

[Windwalker]

I chose not to keep that mental puppet anymore and put down Christianity when I realized God is completely ineffective and non existent in the waking world effectively shattering the rose colored glasses and the insular stained glass environment I had dwelled in for decades.

I now only need conversations with myself, the universe.

As Alan Watts puts it, "The real you".

Based upon this, I would say what you experienced was a mental idea about God. Given that, it is not a surprise you can disregard it. I too have rejected ideas and hopes in those ideas when they turned out to be shaky. I wasn't refer to those however. What I was referring to was something that cannot be denied, like knowing whether or not you went swimming in a lake today.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Based upon this, I would say what you experienced was a mental idea about God. Given that, it is not a surprise you can disregard it. I too have rejected ideas and hopes in those ideas when they turned out to be shaky. I wasn't refer to those however. What I was referring to was something that cannot be denied, like knowing whether or not you went swimming in a lake today.

Well, even reality, as one knows it, can become non existent. People an certainly deny what actually happened as well.

Exemplified best by those who undergo brain injury, brain disease. or simply the passage of time.

 

[Windwalker]

People an certainly deny what actually happened as well.

Yes, I suppose that could be the case as well. You can have those who have a powerful, transcendent Satori experience, but because it troubles the way they want to think about reality so much that they rationalize it away, or attempt to. "It was just a spot of bad cheese". I was more thinking about those who are willing to be honest with themselves though.

Exemplified best by those who undergo brain injury, brain disease.

Assuming your brain is still fully functional, and you are not repressing something pscyhologically out of fear. My point stands.

or simply the passage of time.

I can guarantee you the passage of time has never diminished or tainted, or otherwise led to me questioning that experience. It was more real than real. I may doubt all else in life, but not that.

So I come back to what I originally said, if you really experienced it, you wouldn't doubt it. That said however, what we think about it can change of course, because those are just our ideas about it. But not, was it real.

All you have offered of what you said you experienced, sounds like the effects of believing in something however, which is cognitive in nature. We experience things created out of our beliefs all the time. This is not that. This is literally, beyond beliefs.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, I suppose that could be the case as well. You can have those who have a powerful, transcendent Satori experience, but because it troubles the way they want to think about reality so much that they rationalize it away, or attempt to. "It was just a spot of bad cheese". I was more thinking about those who are willing to be honest with themselves though.

Assuming your brain is still fully functional, and you are not repressing something pscyhologically out of fear. My point stands.


I can guarantee you the passage of time has never diminished or tainted, or otherwise led to me questioning that experience. It was more real than real. I may doubt all else in life, but not that.

So I come back to what I originally said, if you really experienced it, you wouldn't doubt it. That said however, what we think about it can change of course, because those are just our ideas about it. But not, was it real.

All you have offered of what you said you experienced, sounds like the effects of believing in something however, which is cognitive in nature. We experience things created out of our beliefs all the time. This is not that. This is literally, beyond beliefs.

What I mean by passage of time is how it applies to the gaps we all have in memory as we grow up.

Much of our childhood experiences are eventually recalled in bits and pieces in later years for example. Memories can become distorted.

Just to clarify what I mean by that.

 

[Windwalker]

What I mean by passage of time is how it applies to the gaps we all have in memory as we grow up.

Much of our childhood experiences are eventually recalled in bits and pieces in later years for example. Memories can become distorted.

Just to clarify what I mean by that.

I do understand that. I understand the complexities of memories, and I understand how we can even create false memories. In my particular case however, there were immediate responses that factually happened moments after, surrounding it, as well as the fact the entire direction my life took following it, that makes it stand out as undeniable the impact that experience had, and continues to have to this day.

As I said though, as I think back upon it, different aspects of it take on different meaning. How I have thought about it, or talked about it changed, but not that it didn't really happen and that is was as I say, "more real than real". It still stands out as that to this day.

To question it really happened, would be like saying I'm not sure that our family really did move from Chicago to Minnesota when I was 9. I don't just remember it happened, I lived with the results of it from my life then forward.