In essence it's a lottery as to whether people are good or bad, so why involve a God in anything at all? Mentioning Gods explains nothing, and the Gods solve nothing. We humans are always bad due to our own doing, and we have to fix ourselves via our own wits. If any God excists, and is the creator as some believe, then it is still accountable for what it created, regardles of whether it is involved with us or not. It surely doesn't seem to be anything but an absentee God.
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God has nothing to do with the evil in the world.
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Jimmy
King Phenomenon
It’s just life. Keep it simple. You’re reading into it to much.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
This world is pretty remarkable if you ask me. I can’t think of anything better.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
God is accountable for the humans He created but God is not responsible for the choices humans make, since God gave us free will to choose.
I think all abilities are neutral, if can be used for good or bad. And maybe then the intent is crucial difference.
Then why complicate life by believing in gods and supernatural causes? All these ideas offer in the 21st century is various sets of ideas that explain nothing and complicate factual explanations. We even see examples of theists holding on to obsolete traditions that are cruel, immoral, and even illegal in the West, namely how some Muslims believe that marrital rape and execution for adultery is justified.
I know. You have your own take on this that differs from Christians and Muslims. Don't fek bad, Christians and Muslims can't agree with themselves either. More confusion among the believers that results in complications. Believers realize that the God they describe is ultimately accountable and use all sorts of mental gymnastics to shift the blame to the beings God created. Yeah, science explains it better, no need for gods complicating things.
How about no mosquitos? Or bacterias that are fatal for humans, and our beloved pets? Hey, don't you think we could get along better without cancers?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Idk dude. You’re being too weird for my taste.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I'm not into black and white thinking since that is fallacious. I believe that God is partially responsible and humans are partially responsible, and God and humans each have their own responsibilities, which are different, just like in a business, different responsibilities are delegated to different people.
Assuming any sort of god exists. Anyone who uses any sort of god in their beliefs and claims isn’t relying on evidence, so don’t be so black or white in your belief in god.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not assume that God exists, I believe that God exists, since I am relying upon evidence.
Yerda
Veteran Member
That's a fair point. Maybe it's fair to say that both perspectives have something going for them.
Yerda
Veteran Member
It's incredible, I'll give you that.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The whole world? Incredible in what way?
Well...I agree. So there.
Yerda
Veteran Member
That it produces and sustains complexity and creativity, immense beauty and harmony. That I can be a thing within it looking out from the source of an ineffable, mysterious consciousness.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It is the angels that don't and cannot do any evil, please, to err is human, right?
Regards
Would you care to give your definitions of "bad" and "evil?"
When you say, "the bad in the world is because people decide to do bad things," does that mean that you do not consider being killed in a tornado, or by a shark or bear, to be "bad?" Do you suppose those things are "just another part of life, as good as ice cream and sex?"
Now, I might agree that "evil" may imply some sort of intent, possibly by an aware intelligence, and might be thus differentiated from merely bad. But how, then, was the food chain made, if not by the God you think created everything? The hunters on the savannah in Africa, trying to find game to feed their families, were often enough the prey of lions, hyenas, or just trampled by stampeding buffalo. It would seem to me, that for anyone who believes in a creation ordered by God, that there is an intelligence and an intentionality that must be considered. And if that is the case, then the "bad" of being eaten by a shark becomes "evil" because it was in that sense intentional?
Same thing with disease -- if God did not create the organisms or the genetic slips that lead to pandemics or cancers, well where did they come from? And if God did create them -- then how are thy not evil, since they are intentional?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
" God has nothing to do with the evil in the world. "
paarsurrey says: Angels have no free will, right?
It is the humans who have been bestowed free will to do good and or bad, doesn't one like it, please?
Right?
Regards
paarsurrey said :
paarsurrey says: Angels have no free will, right?
It is the humans who have been bestowed free will to do good and or bad, doesn't one like it, please?
Right?
Regards
This is true. There is evil in the world because there are people who do bad things. Even disease and natural disasters are caused as the result of the bad karma of the people.
However, besides people, there are evil entities (some would call them 'Satanic') who encourage and cause bad things to happen.
On the other hand, the 'gods' are constantly trying to reduce and eliminate evil in the world. Someday they may succeed.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
" God has nothing to do with the evil in the world. "
And human have free will, who likes to forgo the free will, please ?
Moon said:
The bad in the world is because people decide to do bad things and things like disease is nature not evil.
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paarsurrey : It is the angels that don't and cannot do any evil, please, to err is human, right?
And human have free will, who likes to forgo the free will, please ?
Moon said:
The bad in the world is because people decide to do bad things and things like disease is nature not evil.
I agree to this much of one's post, please, right?
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