God is a Man (What is a "Spirit?")

[Octavia156]

Lol...well as I said, the Orthodox Muslim world has deviated from the path of their Prophet (pbuh)...I don't know anything about "Enlil" & "Enki" but again, the man teaching the Truth about Allah (God,) the devil, man, etc. today is the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan. If you would like to learn the Real Truth of all of these things, Minister Farrakhan's group has two websites. One of them is http://www.finalcall.com where you can read Minister Farrakhan's articles @: FinalCall.com News - Articles by LouisFarrakhan. Their other site is @ http://www.noi.org, where Minister Farrakhan will be speaking for 1 hour every Saturday this year at 6PM Central Time @ The Time & What Must Be Done: Lecture Series by Minister Louis Farrakhan. AND, this Sunday, Minister Farrakhan will be doing a special Mother's Day Lecture, entitled "The Priceless Value of Mother," live at 10AM Central @ Nation of Islam Live & On Demand Webcasts. I invite you to check out these sources as I believe that they can be life-saving.

Peace & Blessings.
Yahyaa Waahid

All sounds a bit Joseph Smith to me.....

 

[Octavia156]

I know I am going to get a lot of hate for this post but I don't mean to offend anyone. Is there any proof that there is a God? Sure there's a holy book in some religions and there are tales about him and how the world started... but the only one thing we can be sure about is Science. The only way we can think God is real is by believing. Surely if there was a God, surely he/she would of stopped all this violence in the world about Religion. Therefor is shall not believe in a unless a God comes down to earth and shows us that he/she is truly real. I mean if religion was false and you are a monk or a nun, you would have spent your whole life dedicated to something not true and what if there was no after life? Your life would of been wasted worshiping someone or something that does not exist.

I do not mean to offend anyone by this, I would just like to state my opinion.

"Surely if there is a God he'd end the violence?"

Are you a hippy?

If there was a God he;d want to manifest every possibility.... for each fantasm of existance (THAT) would be a reflection of him (IT).

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

I know I am going to get a lot of hate for this post but I don't mean to offend anyone. Is there any proof that there is a God? Sure there's a holy book in some religions and there are tales about him and how the world started... but the only one thing we can be sure about is Science. The only way we can think God is real is by believing. Surely if there was a God, surely he/she would of stopped all this violence in the world about Religion. Therefor is shall not believe in a unless a God comes down to earth and shows us that he/she is truly real. I mean if religion was false and you are a monk or a nun, you would have spent your whole life dedicated to something not true and what if there was no after life? Your life would of been wasted worshiping someone or something that does not exist.

I do not mean to offend anyone by this, I would just like to state my opinion.

Well Sir, I respect your right to your point of view...but I can tell you that Jesus said this in the Bible:

"...But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him." John 10:38

I can agree that the world of religion has been taken over by evil. But there is a man named Elijah Muhammad who performs mighty works that along with other things make me believe in him. I hear the Spirit of Truth in his words and I am a witness of his works of "ressurrecting the dead" (allegorical Scriptural language for bringing mental & spiritual life to a people who did not have it,) "casting out devils" (allegorical Scriptural language for healing the insane,) etc. Probably his two most well known works of bringing life to the dead are Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan. These two men were drug users in the 1950's and one of them (Malcolm X) was also a common criminal, and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad made them into two men whom the scholars of this world could not/cannot defeat in argument. If you cannot believe him then believe the works...there are others who were reformed from being "some of the worst people" in society, like gang-bangers, drug addicted prostitutes, etc. in the Nation of Islam, the group that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is the leader of. So I say, if you cannot believe him, believe the works for they testify of him.

He (Elijah Muhammad) is represented to the world today by Minister Louis Farrakhan and if you would like to learn about these two men (Elijah Muhammad & Louis Farrakhan,) I would recommend that you learn about them from them themselves because the American media & society lie on them very much. You can read unedited & in their complete context articles by Minister Louis Farrakhan @ FinalCall.com News - Articles by LouisFarrakhan, and you can hear him every Saturday at 6PM Central Time @ The Time & What Must Be Done: Lecture Series by Minister Louis Farrakhan where he speaks for 1 hour on the subject, "The Time & What Must Be Done." Lol I don't think that it could hurt to at least give him an investigative ear.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

I find this enlightening.
So you think Moderate Mulsims are more in line with Mohemmed than Orhodox muslims... interesting.

No Ma'am, I did not say that. By "Orthodox Muslim" I meant generally, all those in the Eastern world who profess to be followers of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh.) "Moderate Muslim" is Western terminology or ideology that I don't believe in. I think that those in the Eastern world, generally, who profess to follow Prophet Muhammad are on a path that is a path that has deviated from the Message of Prophet Muhammad and I think that they must come back to his True path or else they will continue to suffer.

is that just black women can behave or white women too?
so you're a kaifer just like me then.... and I'm guessing if you have an affliation with the Nation of Islam you hate white people?

Well, this is what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said on this subject concerning Black & White:

(Point No. 5 of what the Muslims Believe:) WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

The Nation of Islam does not allow members of the White race to join it's ranks, but anyone regardless of race can believe in the Honorable Elijah Muhammad & Minister Farrakhan. As it is written in the Scriptures, Allah (God) chose and favored the Children of Israel to be His people and the Nation of Islam believes that the true Children of Israel are not the Jews but the American so-called Negroes. The Nation of Islam does not believe in the sexism that exists in the Orthodox Muslim world.

...No Ma'am I am not a disbeliever...and no I do not hate White people. I hate the evil that they did and do and I hate all evil.

What does Elijah have to say about the freedom of white women?

Well lol, Elijah Muhammad said in 1972 of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, "when you see [Minister Farrakhan,] look at him. When your hear him, listen to him. Wherever he tells you to go, go. And wherever he tells you stay away from, stay away from."

The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, like I have said, is teaching all regardless of race every Saturday at 6PM Central Time @ The Time & What Must Be Done: Lecture Series by Minister Louis Farrakhan. You are welcome to visit that link anytime, or the other link that I gave you for articles by Minister Farrakhan.

Peace & Blessings.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

All sounds a bit Joseph Smith to me.....

Well, like I said, I'm not a member of the Nation of Islam, but I do believe in their Teachings. Minister Farrakhan is the best representation of what the Nation of Islam believes so I would recommend listening to him for the best understanding of the Nation of Islam. (Visit these links anytime!

FinalCall.com News - Articles by LouisFarrakhan

The Time & What Must Be Done: Lecture Series by Minister Louis Farrakhan

Peace.

 

[Muffled]

This bible, Qur'an says, is corrupted. So hhow can you use it for anything?

And you must not know about hadith. It can not be interpreted to contradict Qur'an, sir. Therefore, you're independant interpretation can not be taken valid, as anyones personal interpretation that contradicts scripture.

I believe this is a total misinterpretation which reveals the true meaning of the verses ie that man misinterprets scripture.

 

[Muffled]

You don't know your own religion, Sir. Hadith Qudsi #25 (Allah Speaking:)

"...My servant continues to draw near to Me with supererogatory works so that I shall love him. When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks..."

This hadith tells us, like the Bible says, that Allah Dwells within Man (flesh & blood.) The Qur'an says that it veririfies the Scriptures that *are with* the Children of Israel (Surah 2:40-41.) The Bible is what is with the Children of Israel. That is more hypocrisy or I should say deviation from Muhammad's (pbuh) path, disbelieving in that which is with the Children of Israel (Surah 2:2-4.)

I believe Hadiths are unreliable and not the word of God.

I believe this is either a view based on the Paraclete in Christianity or the Universalism of Hinduism. The Qu'ran does not appear to have this concept.

 

[Muffled]

Allah (swt) is not a man. And you can not use the Quran and claim to be Muslim in believing such.

Surah Ikhlas
Say: He is Allah, the One! [1] Allah, the eternally Besought of all! [2] He begetteth not nor is he begotten. [3] And there is none comparable unto Him. [4]

You can not bear witness that Muhammad (saws) was a true Prophet, and yet deny everything he said and deny the Qur'an, word of Allah (swt).

I agree as the Bible states God is a spirit. However I believe God is able to indwell the bodies of men as exemplified by Jesus.

I believe this is all true and does not contradict what I have just said.

 

[Assad91]

I agree as the Bible states God is a spirit. However I believe God is able to indwell the bodies of men as exemplified by Jesus.

I believe this is all true and does not contradict what I have just said.

And that is why you're a christian and not a muslim.

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

I believe Hadiths are unreliable and not the word of God.

I believe this is either a view based on the Paraclete in Christianity or the Universalism of Hinduism. The Qu'ran does not appear to have this concept.

Greetings, Sir.

Actually, the Holy Qur'an says in Surah 2:2-4 that those who believe in the Holy Qur'an believe in ALL Revelation that is from Allah. Here is Holy Qur'an 2:2-4:

"(2)This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who keep their duty, (3)Who believe in the Unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them, (4)And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee and that which was revealed before thee, and of the Hereafter they are sure."

And the Holy Qur'an says of itself in Surah 2:40-41 that it verifies "that which is with" the Children of Israel. Holy Qur'an 2:40-41!:

"(40)O Children of Israel, call to mind My favour which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I shall fulfil (My) covenant with you; and Me, Me alone, should you fear. (41)And believe in that which I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it; neither take a mean price for My messages; and keep your duty to Me, Me alone."

So unless what the Bible says is contradicted by the Holy Qu'ran, the Holy Qur'an verifies that what the Bible says is true. The Holy Qur'an does not contradict Allah (God) being a Spirit.

Peace.
Bro. Yahyaa

 

[Katzpur]

"Spirit" means "the energy of life" so energy does not have hands & feet.

Energy may not "have hands and feet" but "spirit" is what gives life to the hands and feet. Without spirit, there is no life and the body is dead. I believe that God is spirit (e.g. "the energy of life" or "the breath of life" or "the source of life"). But that does not preclude Him from having a body. I believe that a spirit can exist in embodied or unembodied form, and I believe that God's spirit exists in an embodied form.

 

[Octavia156]

I'll repeat myself

Spirits are "thoughts"

 

[sojourner]

opcorn:

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Energy may not "have hands and feet" but "spirit" is what gives life to the hands and feet. Without spirit, there is no life and the body is dead. I believe that God is spirit (e.g. "the energy of life" or "the breath of life" or "the source of life"). But that does not preclude Him from having a body. I believe that a spirit can exist in embodied or unembodied form, and I believe that God's spirit exists in an embodied form.

Yes Sir...if "spirit" only means "the energy of (human) life," then that tells us that "spirit" is human energy and that "spirit" is a part of something (a human being) that is flesh & blood. Gen. 18:1-5 verifies that God is a Man, Flesh & Blood in Whom is the Power ("Spirit") of the Supreme Ruler of the universe. Gen. 18:1-5:

"(1)And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; (2)And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, (3)And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: (4)Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: (5)And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said."

Peace!
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

I'll repeat myself

Spirits are "thoughts"

Peace, Ma'am!...Can I ask if you visited any of the links from Minister Farrakhan? People like to lie and say that he hates White people, but here is a picture of him with his dear friend and Brother, Father Michael Pfleger: http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Father Michael Pfleger and farrakhan.jpg...

Peace & Blessings.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[F0uad]

Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala is not a part of hes creation or is his creation, he exists outside of hes creation.
Claiming that Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala is a man or partly man is Shirk and contradicts the Quran and Islamic literature on all fronts, Malcolm X saw the light and turned away from the shirk of the NOI.

Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala can control a man but this doesn't make him god, Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala is nothing that you can think of you cant imagine him being a human-being simple as that.

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala is not a part of hes creation or is his creation, he exists outside of hes creation.
Claiming that Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala is a man or partly man is Shirk and contradicts the Quran and Islamic literature on all fronts, Malcolm X saw the light and turned away from the shirk of the NOI.

Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala can control a man but this doesn't make him god, Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala is nothing that you can think of you cant imagine him being a human-being simple as that.

Well F0uad (lol,) it is very sad how the Muslim world has deviated from the Truth and has subscribed to false doctrines that CONTRADICT the Holy Qur'an and the Prophet's (pbuh) sayings. It is their (the Muslim world) DEVIATION from the Truth that makes them such an easy target for the West...

The Truth, F0uad, is that Holy Qur'an 2:2-4 tells us that Islam teaches belief in ALL Revelation from Allah, that which came before the Qur'an & the Qur'an itself; Holy Qur'an 2:40-41 tells us that the Qur'an VERIFIES "that which is with" the Children of Israel; and hadith qudsi #25 tells us like the Bible, that Allah dwells in Man.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Octavia156]

Peace, Ma'am!...Can I ask if you visited any of the links from Minister Farrakhan? People like to lie and say that he hates White people, but here is a picture of him with his dear friend and Brother, Father Michael Pfleger: http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Father Michael Pfleger and farrakhan.jpg...

Peace & Blessings.
Yahyaa Waahid

He may not hate white people..... but he thinks black people are superior no!?

He must hate non-believers no!?

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

He may not hate white people..... but he thinks black people are superior no!?

He must hate non-believers no!?

No Ma'am, he does not think that Black skin makes anyone superior. He teaches, "the best of you is he who is most careful of his duty to his Lord," if I am remembering what he said correctly. I've never heard him talk about hating disbelievers; I could discuss what I've read on that subject in the Holy Qur'an but it has recently come to my attention that there may be fake Qur'ans in existence put out by enemies of Islam, so in absolute Truth the only thing I know for sure is what I've heard Min. Farrakhan say. I have never heard him say anything about hating disbelievers, but I have heard him say that Allah (God) will seek the life of those who seek his life.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Octavia156]

No Ma'am, he does not think that Black skin makes anyone superior. He teaches, "the best of you is he who is most careful of his duty to his Lord," if I am remembering what he said correctly. I've never heard him talk about hating disbelievers; I could discuss what I've read on that subject in the Holy Qur'an but it has recently come to my attention that there may be fake Qur'ans in existence put out by enemies of Islam, so in absolute Truth the only thing I know for sure is what I've heard Min. Farrakhan say. I have never heard him say anything about hating disbelievers, but I have heard him say that Allah (God) will seek the life of those who seek his life.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

Can I ask you - WHY? Why do you follow this man?
What has he said that has resonated so much with you?

I too have a prophet, but he proposes nothing but freedom and most importantly freedom from dogma.
What has this man got to offer me? A white western woman who believes Man is God?