God is an Atheist

[Phantasman]

That sounds like something interesting to me, considering that when I do selfish things, I often get rewarded... I'm almost afraid to go to confession, in fact, because I know as soon as I do, bad things are going to happen. Guaranteed. As the saying goes, "no good deed goes unpunished".

...I wonder if that is who the Freemasons worship after looking it up.

"The word "demiurge" is an English word derived from demiurgus, a Latinized form of the Greekδημιουργός or dēmiourgos. It was originally a common noun meaning "craftsman" or "artisan", but gradually came to mean "producer"

Demiurge - Wikipedia

We confess to our Father, whom through his grace (understanding of our weakness) still loves us and saves us from the world of fleshly desires. Love the one (God of Spirit) hate the other (god of flesh-mammon).

 

[dfnj]

If God doesn't believe in any other gods does that make God an atheist?


I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

This strangely reminds me of the saying, "There is only one true Christian and He died on the cross."

 

[dfnj]

If God doesn't believe in any other gods does that make God an atheist?
I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

I believe God's religion would be self-referential, complete, and perfect. It would be a self-defining semantic recursion. It would be like the following question in which the question itself answers itself: Have you ever thought about what your brain is doing between thoughts?

So when God prays he hears an echo in his ear.

 

[Cooky]

We confess to our Father, whom through his grace (understanding of our weakness) still loves us and saves us from the world of fleshly desires. Love the one (God of Spirit) hate the other (god of flesh-mammon).

Amazing. Is that an ancient belief?

 

[Fool]

This strangely reminds me of the saying, "There is only one true Christian and He died on the cross."

so is god strengthening itself when he strengthens an aspect, facet, member of itself?


Revelation 3:8
I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.

 

[Fool]

I believe God's religion would be self-referential, complete, and perfect. It would be a self-defining semantic recursion. It would be like the following question in which the question itself answers itself: Have you ever thought about what your brain is doing between thoughts?

So when God prays he hears an echo in his ear.

you're suggesting that god has ears from which to experience something outside of itself? that god can't be omnipresent, nor absolute.

 

[robocop (actually)]

If God doesn't believe in any other gods does that make God an atheist?


I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

Furthermore, God's only religion is genius.

 

[dfnj]

you're suggesting that god has ears from which to experience something outside of itself? that god can't be omnipresent, nor absolute.

Your definition of omnipotence has limitations. An omnipotent God can be both pantheistic and Abrahamic at the same time. An omnipotent God is not limited by logic, language, or the laws of physics by definition. Your interpretation of God's limitations presumes absolute materialism. "Idealism" or subjectivism seems to more representative which can be ambiguous from the observer's perspective.

 

[Fool]

Your definition of omnipotence has limitations. An omnipotent God can be both pantheistic and Abrahamic at the same time. An omnipotent God is not limited by logic, language, or the laws of physics by definition. Your interpretation of God's limitations presumes absolute materialism. "Idealism" or subjectivism seems to more representative which can be ambiguous from the observer's perspective.

with all do respect. i'm not using the word omnipotence. i used the word omnipresent. an infinite cannot be definied, delimited to this vs that, or has any contrast, limitation.

 

[dfnj]

Furthermore, God's only religion is genius.

God's religion is the realization of His own omnipotence.

 

[dfnj]

with all do respect. i'm not using the word omnipotence. i used the word omnipresent. an infinite cannot be definied, delimited to this vs that, or has any contrast, limitation.

Why do you insult me be saying "with all do respect". That means you hate me. It's like Japanese samurai movies where the dialog says one thing but the meaning is completely something else.

Well, getting back to topic. You can't be omnipresent without being omnipotent in my opinion. Again, defining God as having limitations is your choice. Most people who have faith in God choose to have faith in a God who is stronger than the one you are describing.

 

[dfnj]

so is god strengthening itself when he strengthens an aspect, facet, member of itself?
Revelation 3:8
I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.

We are the Universe's way of experiencing itself. We are the way our omnipotent God gets to experience the thrill of having limitations by sharing our experiences of joys and frustrations.

God definitely knows our deeds. Without our limited experiences on this Earth, our omnipotent God will not be able to fully realize His omnipotence. And besides, do you honestly think our omnipotent God did not know exactly what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing about. Of course He did.

 

[Pudding]

If God doesn't believe in any other gods does that make God an atheist?


I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

"Atheist" is a label specifically apply to human being.

 

[Fool]

Why do you insult me be saying "with all do respect". That means you hate me. It's like Japanese samurai movies where the dialog says one thing but the meaning is completely something else.

Well, getting back to topic. You can't be omnipresent without being omnipotent in my opinion. Again, defining God as having limitations is your choice. Most people who have faith in God choose to have faith in a God who is stronger than the one you are describing.

i'm using the english dictionary term omnipresent. otherwise language is a moot point.


omnipresence | Origin and meaning of omnipresence by Online Etymology Dictionary

 

[Phantasman]

Amazing. Is that an ancient belief?

It was the original views of Christianity before the catholic ideology reformed it to the Roman Empires church (325AD). Some call it gnostic (gnosis just means spiritual knowledge).

The gospels that taught such was not accepted by the rising catholic ideology because it taught that Jesus tried to change the religion the Jews was seeing to one of truth Christ taught. John 1:17

The physical law (flesh) Moses taught was fulfilled by spiritual commandments of love by Christ. Romans 13:9

We become as Christ with this knowledge, Sons of God. John 1:12

The priests recreated the role of the Pharisee's, given themselves celestial authority over man. But when the veil was torn between the people and the holy of holies, the Spirit (capital S) was given to each man (for the first time) to be directly taught by the Father, the true God. John 14:17

John and Paul taught gnosis (out of the NT). When you add the gospels of Thomas, Philip, Mary, the secret books, etc. the hidden knowledge is revealed by the Spirit. Colossians 2:2-4

The Canon just says "seek and find". Gnosis teaches much more:

Gospel of Thomas:
2 Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

3 Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

Don't let disturbing truth stop you. It's the devils tool to keep the mind in a prison. Christ "free's" us from the devils prison of fleshly thought, through the Spirit and her knowledge given by the Father.

 

[Cooky]

It was the original views of Christianity before the catholic ideology reformed it to the Roman Empires church (325AD). Some call it gnostic (gnosis just means spiritual knowledge).

The gospels that taught such was not accepted by the rising catholic ideology because it taught that Jesus tried to change the religion the Jews was seeing to one of truth Christ taught. John 1:17

The physical law (flesh) Moses taught was fulfilled by spiritual commandments of love by Christ. Romans 13:9

We become as Christ with this knowledge, Sons of God. John 1:12

The priests recreated the role of the Pharisee's, given themselves celestial authority over man. But when the veil was torn between the people and the holy of holies, the Spirit (capital S) was given to each man (for the first time) to be directly taught by the Father, the true God. John 14:17

John and Paul taught gnosis (out of the NT). When you add the gospels of Thomas, Philip, Mary, the secret books, etc. the hidden knowledge is revealed by the Spirit. Colossians 2:2-4

The Canon just says "seek and find". Gnosis teaches much more:

Gospel of Thomas:
2 Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

3 Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

Don't let disturbing truth stop you. It's the devils tool to keep the mind in a prison. Christ "free's" us from the devils prison of fleshly thought, through the Spirit and her knowledge given by the Father.

While I can't agree that the priesthood replaces the role of the Pharisees, due to Christs own selection of priests or "apostles" (why would he select apostles when everybody could have been alostles), I do find Gnosis very interesting. I've never met a person, or even knew of a modern person who still follows that line of faith... I thought it had gone extinct and was lost in time.

...Are there Gnostic Churches?

...Are there Gnostic communities?

 

[Cooky]

I don't mean to set a derail, maybe someone can point me in the right direction.

 

[Fool]

We are the Universe's way of experiencing itself. We are the way our omnipotent God gets to experience the thrill of having limitations by sharing our experiences of joys and frustrations.

God definitely knows our deeds. Without our limited experiences on this Earth, our omnipotent God will not be able to fully realize His omnipotence. And besides, do you honestly think our omnipotent God did not know exactly what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing about. Of course He did.

so your god is separate from self and male?

 

[Fool]

"Atheist" is a label specifically apply to human being.

hmmmm, one of the definitions is: "one who denies the existence of a supreme, intelligent being to whom moral obligation is due."

or

one who denies the existence of a supreme, intelligent being to whom moral obligation is due,

Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities.

 

[Phantasman]

While I can't agree that the priesthood replaces the role of the Pharisees, due to Christs own selection of priests or "apostles" (why would he select apostles when everybody could have been alostles), I do find Gnosis very interesting. I've never met a person, or even knew of a modern person who still follows that line of faith... I thought it had gone extinct and was lost in time.

...Are there Gnostic Churches?

...Are there Gnostic communities?

Gnosis isn't a church. It's a path (spiritual). Discussed, not taught. The word priest is a negative one in all gospels and Paul's 10 letters. Only Hebrews, a pastoral and Revelations reviews priests as a source of "light". And no one knows who wrote them. Probably catholic sympathizers (according to scholars).

There are no priests. Only elders. The job of an elder is to guide one to find the truth for themselves, not to as much teach it. I can tell you what 40 years has taught me (about religions, as I was of orthodox thought for 20+ years), but it's your job to verify, seek and see the revealing for yourself. IOW, don't follow me as I don't follow another man. Can you honestly say you follow certain men (priests?) when they tell you what to do, then some go and sin themselves?

Follow what is sinless. Spirit. You can know it as well as any man who calls himself "priest". Even better, if you so choose.