God is cruel

[wizanda]

The reason there is so much division is God could guide people and he refuses.

God has guided; most of the faulty contradictory religious texts are made up by man.

 

[paarsurrey]

God has guided; most of the faulty contradictory religious texts are made up by man.

The contradictory part is made by man or corrupted by man, the truthful part is aligned with the Truthful Religion, if correctly understood. Please
Regards

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God could have not given us all free will, and then we could all be His puppets or drones. With positive things coming from free will, unfortunately also comes bad things. I've heard that people feel God giving His creation free will is what makes Him cruel, but I think differently.

If god did not give christians free will to sin, then they (like in heaven) would have choices to do god things. I think christians stick to "we will be robots" because christians are attached to self/sin and define themselves by it. If they defined themselves as children of god, there would be no problem having free will not to see because it would be for god rather a christians desire to think on his own.

Someone years ago said something interesting. He said he doesnt mind being a slave to god. That is whst worship means. It means submission. Reverence and respect means being equal to a person while considering them at high standards worthy of respect.

Given god desires worship, why would it be wrong to not have free will? Isnt that thinking of ourselves and not of god? (Thinking of buddhist thought)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think I just may have lost a friend I prayed the Rosary with because we got in a conversation about the book of revelation and I said I thought it was ridiculous. Then I said the Bible contradicts itself. Then I said God is cruel.

Truly I think God is cruel. He watches so many people in agony and refuses to console them. But what I find very cruel is he wont even speak clear messages to people. He watches throughout history Muslims persecute and kill non-muslims, non-muslims kill Muslims, Christians kill pagans, Catholics kill protestants and vice versa, and repeatedly God refuses to speak clear messages to people, but by doing so he could end such division and killings. The reason there is so much division is God could guide people and he refuses.

For God to see so much agony and refuse to speak up is just cruel. I'm not saying God can be to blame for everything. People need to take some responsibility for our choices and our misery, but I don't think people would make a lot of those choices if they would hear God speak clear messages to them.

If I were God, there would be no such thing as Atheists because I would speak up to people. Would there seriously be Atheists if God actually was willing to speak to everyone?

I would console all hurting people. If I saw a kid getting raped, tortured, and murdered, I would defend them. To not do so is just plain cruel! God could do so without it costing him a thing and he refuses. It's just disgusting!

Shame on you Mr. God! I know you're reading this!!

How do you determine there is a god who lets these things happen And converesly, let good happen too?

 

[paarsurrey]

How do you determine there is a god who lets these things happen And converesly, let good happen too?

Isn't Mercy of G-d overwhelming? Please
Regards

 

[Smart_Guy]

I think I just may have lost a friend I prayed the Rosary with because we got in a conversation about the book of revelation and I said I thought it was ridiculous. Then I said the Bible contradicts itself. Then I said God is cruel.

This is similar to telling your gay friend that you think homosexuality is ridiculous, your trans friend that gender/sex alteration contradicts with nature and logic, atheist friend that atheism is immoral, female friend that males are better, etc.

Now regardless to being true or false, an opinion or a fact, etc., sometimes friendship is more important than ego or freedom of expression fanaticism. Unless that friend of yours insisted that you tell them what you really think, I see there is absolutely no need to say it. Quite honestly, I believe it is disrespectful, inappropriate and not intelligent to do it then.

We have a saying here that translates to "your tongue is your horse, if you take care of it, it takes care of you" and another that translates to "the influence of the word is sharper than the blade of the sword" (funny it rhymes in English too!)

I hope your friend is an understanding person for your sake. Good friends are not easy to find and I don't wish for you two to lose each other.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Isn't Mercy of G-d overwhelming? Please
Regards

How can you tell that? A feeling?

 

[pearl]

Truly I think God is cruel.

I find that it is not God but our 'idea' of God that's 'cruel'.

 

[paarsurrey]

How can you tell that? A feeling?

Life has been bestowed to the humans, not even an animal wants to die. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Thief]

God gave Man dominion.....is that cruel?

ask your fellow man

so far i see in this thread nothing more than a reluctance to do your best
with the understanding you will die

so it was in the beginning
so it will be with you

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Of course you do. you naughty boy, just drop god for awhile and try doing it on your own.

Exactly. Relying on God makes you less independent. Learning to do things on your own makes you more independent.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Yes so true, and this is one reason I have a thread titled, "is religion making us all stupid".

I see more of those who follow god rather rely on god more than relying on themselves.

 

[ajay0]

I think I just may have lost a friend I prayed the Rosary with because we got in a conversation about the book of revelation and I said I thought it was ridiculous. Then I said the Bible contradicts itself. Then I said God is cruel.

Truly I think God is cruel. He watches so many people in agony and refuses to console them. But what I find very cruel is he wont even speak clear messages to people. He watches throughout history Muslims persecute and kill non-muslims, non-muslims kill Muslims, Christians kill pagans, Catholics kill protestants and vice versa, and repeatedly God refuses to speak clear messages to people, but by doing so he could end such division and killings. The reason there is so much division is God could guide people and he refuses.

For God to see so much agony and refuse to speak up is just cruel. I'm not saying God can be to blame for everything. People need to take some responsibility for our choices and our misery, but I don't think people would make a lot of those choices if they would hear God speak clear messages to them.

If I were God, there would be no such thing as Atheists because I would speak up to people. Would there seriously be Atheists if God actually was willing to speak to everyone?

I would console all hurting people. If I saw a kid getting raped, tortured, and murdered, I would defend them. To not do so is just plain cruel! God could do so without it costing him a thing and he refuses. It's just disgusting!

Shame on you Mr. God! I know you're reading this!!

I am sure God must be proud of you for writing such a post. And relieved as well.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Life has been bestowed to the humans, not even an animal wants to die. Right? Please
Regards

I dont see how that relates to my question.

 

[Mary Blackchurch]

In "free will", "God" always supports the criminal over the victim. The criminal who rapes a 9-month old baby to death has his free will supported, while the free will of the baby's parents to see her grow up happy and healthy is totally ignored.

Their will is never supported, even if they are good, pious people who attend church and pray sincerely. Their baby is still dead and they are left with "The Lord giveth..."

If you join this with the "no sparrow shall fall" idea, you could find yourself wondering if this is a god who enjoys watching the evil done to the weak and innocent by criminals.

2. The doctrine of free will is diametrically opposed to the attribute of an omniscient god.

When you say "all-knowing", the accent is on the "all". It is impossible for a god to know everything there is to know but to not know which choice one of its creations will make. There is nothing a creation can do that an omniscient god doesn't know about in advance.

This means that the creation has zero choice. He/She/It must do whatever is in the mind of the all-knowing god. This also means that the god allows evil to exist because s/he/it wants evil to exist.

To an omniscient god, the planet is just a humongous Sims game, and the free will argument is illusory.

 

[SethZaddik]

I think I just may have lost a friend I prayed the Rosary with because we got in a conversation about the book of revelation and I said I thought it was ridiculous. Then I said the Bible contradicts itself. Then I said God is cruel.

Truly I think God is cruel. He watches so many people in agony and refuses to console them. But what I find very cruel is he wont even speak clear messages to people. He watches throughout history Muslims persecute and kill non-muslims, non-muslims kill Muslims, Christians kill pagans, Catholics kill protestants and vice versa, and repeatedly God refuses to speak clear messages to people, but by doing so he could end such division and killings. The reason there is so much division is God could guide people and he refuses.

For God to see so much agony and refuse to speak up is just cruel. I'm not saying God can be to blame for everything. People need to take some responsibility for our choices and our misery, but I don't think people would make a lot of those choices if they would hear God speak clear messages to them.

If I were God, there would be no such thing as Atheists because I would speak up to people. Would there seriously be Atheists if God actually was willing to speak to everyone?

I would console all hurting people. If I saw a kid getting raped, tortured, and murdered, I would defend them. To not do so is just plain cruel! God could do so without it costing him a thing and he refuses. It's just disgusting!

Shame on you Mr. God! I know you're reading this!!

Buddy, God is not the problem, people are, especially people who say things like "He watches Muslims kill people..." when more are being killed and innocent victims than do kill.

God is good, Muslims are good, Christians, Jews.. all good.

Good people are good, atheist, pagan or Protestant. You blame God for the actions of people and blame the Bible for having contradictions. Of course it does, part of the fun is resolving problems with clever solutions like Lilith to explain the contradictions in Genesis.

Calm down and shame on YOU.

 

[chessplayer]

He does speak, but we often don't listen, IMO.

If the Lord is your shepherd , like He really desires to be ,then you can expect a relationship with him including a two way communication , however if not, then you are out in the wilderness, in mortal danger , and lost eternally !

 

[BilliardsBall]

I think I just may have lost a friend I prayed the Rosary with because we got in a conversation about the book of revelation and I said I thought it was ridiculous. Then I said the Bible contradicts itself. Then I said God is cruel.

Truly I think God is cruel. He watches so many people in agony and refuses to console them. But what I find very cruel is he wont even speak clear messages to people. He watches throughout history Muslims persecute and kill non-muslims, non-muslims kill Muslims, Christians kill pagans, Catholics kill protestants and vice versa, and repeatedly God refuses to speak clear messages to people, but by doing so he could end such division and killings. The reason there is so much division is God could guide people and he refuses.

For God to see so much agony and refuse to speak up is just cruel. I'm not saying God can be to blame for everything. People need to take some responsibility for our choices and our misery, but I don't think people would make a lot of those choices if they would hear God speak clear messages to them.

If I were God, there would be no such thing as Atheists because I would speak up to people. Would there seriously be Atheists if God actually was willing to speak to everyone?

I would console all hurting people. If I saw a kid getting raped, tortured, and murdered, I would defend them. To not do so is just plain cruel! God could do so without it costing him a thing and he refuses. It's just disgusting!

Shame on you Mr. God! I know you're reading this!!

I'm sorry you're hurting and I hope God will shine on you soon, and answer your sincere questions.

Have you considered reading His book, which contains answers to these kinds of challenging questions?

After all, praying the rosary means you're Catholic, in a tradition that says the Bible can answer these questions. Prayer, like you've made, is a great start. Now read God's book for more. I recommend starting with the gospel of John.

 

[Spiderman]

So why do you let yourself suffer /.

I have no choice much of the time

 

[chessplayer]

In "free will", "God" always supports the criminal over the victim. The criminal who rapes a 9-month old baby to death has his free will supported, while the free will of the baby's parents to see her grow up happy and healthy is totally ignored.

Their will is never supported, even if they are good, pious people who attend church and pray sincerely. Their baby is still dead and they are left with "The Lord giveth..."

If you join this with the "no sparrow shall fall" idea, you could find yourself wondering if this is a god who enjoys watching the evil done to the weak and innocent by criminals.

2. The doctrine of free will is diametrically opposed to the attribute of an omniscient god.

When you say "all-knowing", the accent is on the "all". It is impossible for a god to know everything there is to know but to not know which choice one of its creations will make. There is nothing a creation can do that an omniscient god doesn't know about in advance.

This means that the creation has zero choice. He/She/It must do whatever is in the mind of the all-knowing god. This also means that the god allows evil to exist because s/he/it wants evil to exist.

To an omniscient god, the planet is just a humongous Sims game, and the free will argument is illusory.

God is not omnicient ,your free will is sacrosanct , otherwise you wouldn't have been able to write negative stuff about Him .However we are also made / created to have fellowship with Him, to enjoy a faith based two way relationship , with His blessing and favour. Note , although I've hardly missed church in 43 years, church itself does not reinstate my relationship , it only helps to maintain it !