God is disproven by science? Really?

[Subduction Zone]

Seems @MrIntelligentDesign does know what he’s talking about, that:
Many people mostly atheists believe that God has been disproven or has being shown to be non-existent. But if you knew the definition and explanation of intelligence, or its variants, or synonyms, you will never claim such illogical claim. Thus, intelligence protects the existence of God from those non-intelligent persons.

I think this has been demonstrated

Really? What atheists believe that God has been refuted?

You may be a bit confused. Your personal version of God has been refuted. But the general idea of God has not been refuted. I will even say that the Christian God has not been refuted, only the God of the Flat Earth and others that believe refuted stories of the Bible as part of their God have been shown to be wrong.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I will even say that the Christian God has not been refuted,

That’s my view, because He is the only one who answered when I called out to Him. It was crickets from the rest, that’s why I see them as counterfeits.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, if you claim that God does not exist, then, you basically claim that an Intelligent Designer or Intelligent creator of say, universe, life, etc, does not exist. But, what do you mean by intelligence and why?

Guess what? Even if a God does exist life could still have arisen without his active involvement. A truly intelligent designer could have set everything into motion at the time of the Big Bang. My question is why do you want to turn your version of God into an incompetent bumbler?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That’s my view, because He is the only one who answered when I called out to Him. It was crickets from the rest, that’s why I see them as counterfeits.

But that is only a weak belief on your part. One that you are afraid to even test properly. Meanwhile others can test some of your claims for you and show you how they are wrong.

 

[ElishaElijah]

But that is only a weak belief on your part. One that you are afraid to even test properly. Meanwhile others can test some of your claims for you and show you how they are wrong.

Some people are content with theory and talk,I found that only leads to poverty, misery, and a fruitless life in my case.
What I found in Jesus Christ is forgiveness, grace, abundant life, peace, joy, purpose and eternal life. A way of life that is satisfying and in the Bible I found the answers for everyday life that no matter what situation I find myself in, God is there with
me.

 

[blü 2]

Seems @MrIntelligentDesign does know what he’s talking about

If so, he's still to persuade me that this is the case. His argument rests on what he calls "intelligence" but so far he doesn't appear to know what he means by that word.

Many people mostly atheists believe that God has been disproven or has being shown to be non-existent.

I'm a nonbeliever but I'm not technically an atheist. I'm an igtheist ─ it seems more than obvious to me that not only do gods only exist as concepts / things imagined in individual brains, but there isn't even a definition, a concept of God, appropriate to a real God, one with objective existence.

But if you knew the definition and explanation of intelligence, or its variants, or synonyms, you will never claim such illogical claim.

I know what I mean by "intelligence". But the important thing here is, what does MrIntelligentDesign mean by "intelligence". I can't distinguish his first and so far only offering on that point from gobbledegook.

 

[LuisDantas]

Seems @MrIntelligentDesign does know what he’s talking about, that:
Many people mostly atheists believe that God has been disproven or has being shown to be non-existent. But if you knew the definition and explanation of intelligence, or its variants, or synonyms, you will never claim such illogical claim. Thus, intelligence protects the existence of God from those non-intelligent persons.

I think this has been demonstrated

I have never met an atheist that made such a claim.

Frankly, you sound either confused or seriously misinformed.

It is possible to show contradictions and flaws in various conceptions of deity. All too easy, too. Unfortunately.

But "god" is just not nearly well defined a concept for it to make sense to claim that it was "disproven". It can be shown to be irrelevant, though.

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm not technically an atheist. I'm an igtheist ─ it seems more than obvious to me that not only do gods only exist as concepts / things imagined in individual brains, but there isn't even a definition, a concept of God, appropriate to a real God, one with objective existence.

Are you familiar with ignosticism? Do you consider igtheism and ignosticism to be similar, identical, or different from each other?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some people are content with theory and talk,I found that only leads to poverty, misery, and a fruitless life in my case.
What I found in Jesus Christ is forgiveness, grace, abundant life, peace, joy, purpose and eternal life. A way of life that is satisfying and in the Bible I found the answers for everyday life that no matter what situation I find myself in, God is there with
me.

You still do not seem to know what a theory is. And no, your beliefs are based upon an event that you do not understand and appear to be afraid to test properly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have never met an atheist that made such a claim.

Frankly, you sound either confused or seriously misinformed.

It is possible to show contradictions and flaws in various conceptions of deity. All too easy, too. Unfortunately.

But "god" is just not nearly well defined a concept for it to make sense to claim that it was "disproven". It can be shown to be irrelevant, though.

He may be angry because his version of God can be refuted. He appears to think that if someone refutes his own personal version of God that is "refuting God". Yet oddly enough he seems to understand the refuting the God of the Flat Earthers in not refuting God in general.

 

[ElishaElijah]

gobbledegook

You wouldn’t even get that without God, let alone the intelligent design of Creation and the laws He made that supports life here on Earth.

 

[ElishaElijah]

He may be angry because his version of God

I’m not angry but even man’s anger praises God, that’s what I believe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You wouldn’t even get that without God, let alone the intelligent design of Creation and the laws He made that supports life here on Earth.

There is no evidence for a Creation. There is no evidence for intelligent design.

So why believe in them?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I’m not angry but even man’s anger praises God, that’s what I believe.

Okay, I am confused. Why would you essentially arguing that God does not exist anger him?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Okay, I am confused.

That’s true

 

[Subduction Zone]

That’s true

No. I was pointing out how you are the one that is arguing that God does not exist. You are not consistent in your arguments.

By the way, it is improper to quote mine. It is almost always a form of lying.

 

[MrIntelligentDesign]

The n properly define your terms, you have not even been able to do that, tell us what your testable hypothesis is and what reasonable test could possibly refute it. And what evidence supports your claim.

And by the way, that "reasonable test that could refute it" is extremely important. If you do not have one then your whole claim falls apart. To even have evidence one first needs a testable hypothesis. And claiming "if they ever prove evolution is right that will refute me" is not a reasonable test since science never "proves" anything. Your test needs to be based upon the merits and predictions given by your hypothesis. That is how evidence works in the sciences. They have that definition because there are a lot of loons out there.

Oh, you have many questions: I have only two questions to be cleared.

Q1. If God or Intelligent Designer or Intelligent Creator exist, did this Agent intelligently designed X? X = universe, life, species, living organisms, cell, etc....
But before I could answer that, I must first know what is intelligence and its variants. Some of the variants of intelligence in applications are:


Not Naturally Designed, Unnaturally Made, Created, Smart, Intentional, Controlled, Fine-tuned, Pre-planned, Goal-Oriented, Wise, Genius, Decided, Clever, Brilliant, Bright, Superb, Marvelous, Excellent, Very Good, Handled, Regulated, Determined, Managed, Modulated, Governed, Directed, not Dumb, not Moron and not Foolish.


Did God or Smart Designer or Excellent Creator exist, did this Agent intelligently designed X? As you can see, I used two variants, with the same application.

So, what is intelligence?

Q2. Is the change of frequency alleles intelligently guided or not? Or, I will use variants.

Is the change of frequency alleles regulated or not, or determined or not? I used two variants again.

Now, the same question: what is intelligence?

I solved this since I discovered intelligence, from many experiments.

To test it, for example in the change of frequency alleles, we could easily compare reality to the definition and the Evolution theory.
Or, once we know the kind or type of change of frequency alleles, then, we could easily conclude if Evolution is wrong or not.

I hope you get me.

 

[MrIntelligentDesign]

Guess what? Even if a God does exist life could still have arisen without his active involvement. A truly intelligent designer could have set everything into motion at the time of the Big Bang. My question is why do you want to turn your version of God into an incompetent bumbler?

You cannot use the word intelligence or its variants if you do not know its definition and explanation derived from experiments. Thus, you are wasting your time.

 

[MrIntelligentDesign]

If so, he's still to persuade me that this is the case. His argument rests on what he calls "intelligence" but so far he doesn't appear to know what he means by that word.
I'm a nonbeliever but I'm not technically an atheist. I'm an igtheist ─ it seems more than obvious to me that not only do gods only exist as concepts / things imagined in individual brains, but there isn't even a definition, a concept of God, appropriate to a real God, one with objective existence.
I know what I mean by "intelligence". But the important thing here is, what does MrIntelligentDesign mean by "intelligence". I can't distinguish his first and so far only offering on that point from gobbledegook.

I had my other thread with link on how I discovered intelligence. I think that before you say that I am wrong or before you are trying to fight with me in science, you must first know intelligence better than me. Or at least, know your opponent.

Since all of you did not discover intelligence, then, I already knew your arguments. Either you will support me, or you will define intelligence as non-intelligence, and used that, for example in Biology, for Evolution.

The funny part in Evolution is that both Artificial Selection and Natural Selection has no dividing line, which is forcing us to swallow intelligence = non-intelligence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, you have many questions: I have only two questions to be cleared.

Q1. If God or Intelligent Designer or Intelligent Creator exist, did this Agent intelligently designed X? X = universe, life, species, living organisms, cell, etc....
But before I could answer that, I must first know what is intelligence and its variants. Some of the variants of intelligence in applications are:


Not Naturally Designed, Unnaturally Made, Created, Smart, Intentional, Controlled, Fine-tuned, Pre-planned, Goal-Oriented, Wise, Genius, Decided, Clever, Brilliant, Bright, Superb, Marvelous, Excellent, Very Good, Handled, Regulated, Determined, Managed, Modulated, Governed, Directed, not Dumb, not Moron and not Foolish.


Did God or Smart Designer or Excellent Creator exist, did this Agent intelligently designed X? As you can see, I used two variants, with the same application.

So, what is intelligence?

Q2. Is the change of frequency alleles intelligently guided or not? Or, I will use variants.

Is the change of frequency alleles regulated or not, or determined or not? I used two variants again.

Now, the same question: what is intelligence?

I solved this since I discovered intelligence, from many experiments.

To test it, for example in the change of frequency alleles, we could easily compare reality to the definition and the Evolution theory.
Or, once we know the kind or type of change of frequency alleles, then, we could easily conclude if Evolution is wrong or not.

I hope you get me.

Yes. All you have is BS. You only made unevidenced claims. You did not provide any working definitions you did no even tell us what your testable hypothesis is and what test could possibly refute it .

In other words you just admitted that you have nothing. And that no rational person should believe you.