God is disproven by science? Really?

[Jose Fly]

I don’t intentionally ignore questions but some don’t seem relevant and can go off to a different tangent.

It doesn't seem that way. For example, one of my questions was simply "Why is that" after you made a claim. Obviously that's relevant and on topic.

I hope you appreciate how from my perspective, it comes across as dodging.

Chemistry happens yes but the originator of the chemicals is God. So with abiogenesis apart from God there would be no chemicals. God made the laws put all that into effect like an engineer, architect and master builder. Then He gave us stewardship over His Creation.

If you believe that, that's fine. It also seems to allow for the possibility that the first living organisms on earth formed on their own, just as water molecules form on their own.

So it could be that God created the laws and processes by which molecules form, including the first life forms on earth, but God didn't personally assemble them. Correct?

 

[ElishaElijah]

It doesn't seem that way. For example, one of my questions was simply "Why is that" after you made a claim. Obviously that's relevant and on topic.

I hope you appreciate how from my perspective, it comes across as dodging.

I do and not intentionally dodging anything, that’s not me at all.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So it could be that God created the laws and processes by which molecules form, including the first life forms on earth, but God didn't personally assemble them. Correct?

Some of what you say could happen other parts no. Like water, land and air for example appear to have been created before Genesis. He is eternal what was going on before we were created? I don’t know. I see life in Heaven before Creation but life forms on Earth I see were created just like it says in Genesis and that’s also what I see and experience life on the Earth presently.
Did God personally assemble? He spoke things into existence except for mankind he formed.

 

[Jose Fly]

I do and not intentionally dodging anything, that’s not me at all.

Then how is me asking "Why is that" to something you say irrelevant and off topic?

 

[Jose Fly]

Some of what you say could happen other parts no. Like water, land and air for example appear to have been created before Genesis.

Do you believe God personally assembled all the water, land, and air molecules that were created before Genesis?

He is eternal what was going on before we were created? I don’t know.

Ok.

I see life in Heaven before Creation but life forms on Earth I see were created just like it says in Genesis and that’s also what I see and experience life on the Earth presently.
Did God personally assemble? He spoke things into existence except for mankind he formed.

Right, Genesis doesn't say God personally assembled the molecules that made up the first life on earth. Instead, it says God spoke and it happened.

So it's possible that after God spoke, the first organisms on earth formed on their own, right?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So it's possible that after God spoke, the first organisms on earth formed on their own, right?

No

 

[Jose Fly]

No

Why not?

And again, you ignored much of what I posted, including follow-up questions to what you said.

It's starting to come off as rather rude.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why not?

And again, you ignored much of what I posted, including follow-up questions to what you said.

It's starting to come off as rather rude.

Well sorry if it comes across rude, but answered what I thought you asked.

 

[Jose Fly]

Well sorry if it comes across rude, but answered what I thought you asked.

You just did it again.

If you're not willing to engage in a back and forth discussion, I have to wonder why you're here. It looks to me like you're here mostly to tell others what you believe and how you think the science that conflicts with those beliefs is wrong.

FYI, that's not debating or conversing. That's just preaching.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You just did it again.

If you're not willing to engage in a back and forth discussion, I have to wonder why you're here. It looks to me like you're here mostly to tell others what you believe and how you think the science that conflicts with those beliefs is wrong.

FYI, that's not debating or conversing. That's just preaching.

God finished creating everything on earth in 6’days and rested the 7th. Are you an atheist or do you believe there is a God? Nothing makes itself because it’s Gods design and law.

 

[Jose Fly]

God finished creating everything on earth in 6’days and rested the 7th.

Again, you're just preaching.

Are you an atheist or do you believe there is a God?

The most accurate term for me is "apatheist".

 

[ElishaElijah]

Again, you're just preaching.


The most accurate term for me is "apatheist".

So you really didn’t want the answer to Why not?
And not committed either way.

 

[Jose Fly]

So you really didn’t want the answer to Why not?

Yes, I did...that's why I asked.

But the fact that you ask that indicates that you saw my question, understood it, remember it, but deliberately chose to avoid it. That's exactly what I described...you're dodging.

And not committed either way.

I find debates about the existence of gods to be boring and pointless. But I am interested in what some people believe about gods, especially in terms of how those beliefs affect their views on science.

 

[ElishaElijah]

But the fact that you ask that indicates that you saw my question, understood it, remember it, but deliberately chose to avoid it. That's exactly what I described...you're dodging.

I went back and looked after you mentioned it, but when I answered and you said “preaching” it says that you really didn’t want my answer.

 

[Jose Fly]

I went back and looked after you mentioned it, but when I answered and you said “preaching” it says that you really didn’t want my answer.

Dude, you're still dodging.

I'll never understand people who join discussion/debate boards and then do everything they can to avoid discussions and debates.

All I can figure is that you're mostly here to try and gain converts.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Dude, you're still dodging.

I'll never understand people who join discussion/debate boards and then do everything they can to avoid discussions and debates.

All I can figure is that you're mostly here to try and gain converts.

Dodging what question? The one I answered that you want different wording on? I don’t need any converts

 

[Subduction Zone]

I went back and looked after you mentioned it, but when I answered and you said “preaching” it says that you really didn’t want my answer.

If you cannot properly support your claims then it only looks as if you are preaching. Preaching is not allowed here. This is supposed to be a debate and discussion site. If I make a claim I need to be able to support it properly. The same applies to you. And the Bible cannot be proper support unless you first demonstrate that the Bible is reliable. No one has been able to do that yet.

The Bible might be a proper tool in the Christian DIR's, but definitely it is not one out of them.

 

[Jose Fly]

Dodging what question? The one I answered that you want different wording on? I don’t need any converts

If you like, I can go back and repost all the questions I've asked you that you didn't respond to.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If you like, I can go back and repost all the questions I've asked you that you didn't respond to.

Go for it but on a thread talking about God as the Intelligent Designer and Creator, the post is talking about Jesus Christ and the Bible is my source. If you don’t like that then don’t ask me any questions. @MrIntelligentDesign started the thread and challenged your views which I haven’t seen any of you be able to refute other than make nonsensical comments.

 

[millerdog]

Some beliefs are rational and some are not. Some can be shown to be correct and some seem to be some sort of insane dream.

EDIT: And yes, you have been very irate. And breaking some of the rule rather severely. Why get so mad?

Haha. Well some beliefs cannot be proven or do not seem rational to some. But are still valid