God is disproven by science? Really?

[ElishaElijah]

You've been given very good and reasonable answers on the subject of abiogenesis from very informed people.

They are guessing, using known facts but those particular facts in no way support or show that theory. They’re snake oil salesman or you are. Haven’t seen scientist doing the actual research as dogmatic as you all on here.
What Is the Big Bang Theory?
What is the Big Bang Theory?
By Elizabeth Howell , Andrew May published January 10, 2022

The Big Bang Theory is our best guess about how the universe began.

 

[SkepticThinker]

They are guessing, using known facts but those particular facts in no way support or show that theory. They’re snake oil salesman or you are. Haven’t seen scientist doing the actual research as dogmatic as you all on here.
What Is the Big Bang Theory?
What is the Big Bang Theory?
By Elizabeth Howell , Andrew May published January 10, 2022

The Big Bang Theory is our best guess about how the universe began.

Thank you for demonstrating to me that you didn't read beyond the headline, thus confirming what I said in the last post.
No wonder you think scientists are just guessing. You can't even be bothered to read the science behind it.
You're not going to learn anything that way.

Snake oil salesmen don't tend to have evidence that their snake oil does anything they claim it does.
Scientists have a lot more than that, thankfully. If you'd just read the article you linked beyond the headline, you'd know that too. There's a reason I keep referring to cosmic microwave background radiation and Doppler red shifts, which of course, are discussed in that article.
Read it through to the end, I dare you.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The existence of the scientists doesn't show at all that abiogenesis requires an intelligent designer.

Yes it does because in abiogenesis the guess is that life happened all on its own from non living materials (that showed up on there own). There was no intervention by anything other than by chance. Then by chance from that life ( which has never been sustained) in the lab continued to develop to what we see today. This is the most comical theory I’ve ever heard.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Scientists have a lot more than that, thankfully. If you'd just read the article

I read the explanation of their best guess and that’s what it is an educated guess.

 

[ElishaElijah]

There's a reason I keep referring to cosmic microwave background radiation and Doppler red shifts, which of course, are discussed in that article.

Lol, microwave background radiation and Doppler red shifts. You bought that too!

This is what happened:
“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1-5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
And…wait for it, that’s what we experience every day.

 

[F1fan]

Religion can't answer if there is a God? Who cares. Does that mean there isn't one? Haha.

Probably only the Hindu gods exist. Your thoughts?

Yes it does because in abiogenesis the guess is that life happened all on its own from non living materials (that showed up on there own). There was no intervention by anything other than by chance. Then by chance from that life ( which has never been sustained) in the lab continued to develop to what we see today. This is the most comical theory I’ve ever heard.

We don't care about your beliefs/opinions. The well educated defer to experts in science, not you.

You find it comical because you have poor understanding of science, and also contempt for science. Your opinion means nothing given your lack of knowledge.

I read the explanation of their best guess and that’s what it is an educated guess.

Yes, EDUCATED.

And it's more accurate to say that is it an educated conclusion based on the available evidence. You offer no valid alternative.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes it does because in abiogenesis the guess is that life happened all on its own from non living materials (that showed up on there own). There was no intervention by anything other than by chance. Then by chance from that life ( which has never been sustained) in the lab continued to develop to what we see today. This is the most comical theory I’ve ever heard.

Why did you cut off the part of my post that explained how that is not the case, as though I never said it?
Do you acknowledge that electricity occurs naturally? Are you not aware that the basic building blocks of life have been found on meteorites?

You don't appear to be well informed enough on this subject to speak about it. I would suggest it is comical to you because you aren't informed enough, and therefore don't understand. Like we see all the time with creationists and evolution. Don't despair though, you can still learn. If you want to.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lol, microwave background radiation and Doppler red shifts. You bought that too!

Yeah, those things are called evidence. Something you really, really need to learn about, given your constant inability to cite proper evidence for your claims.

Seriously dude, read the article to the end. Learn something.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yeah, those things are called evidence. Something you really, really need to learn about, given your constant inability to cite proper evidence for your claims.

Seriously dude, read the article to the end. Learn something.

That’s not any evidence, that’s a smoke screen for we hate God and have no clue.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why did you cut off the part of my post that explained how that is not the case, as though I never said it?
Do you acknowledge that electricity occurs naturally? Are you not aware that the basic building blocks of life have been found on meteorites?

You don't appear to be well informed enough on this subject to speak about it. I would suggest it is comical to you because you aren't informed enough, and therefore don't understand. Like we see all the time with creationists and evolution. Don't despair though, you can still learn. If you want to.

I am well informed and do understand that without God there would be nothing and that’s what you would have to start with. Yet even nothing is a word you botch up and re-define to try to make your theory work. It still won’t work.

 

[Jose Fly]

I haven’t seen a reasonable answer from any of you on here all you say is you know so much and have facts but don’t see any facts that support the fantasy of abiogenesis.

The origin of the first life forms on earth is indeed a mystery. That's why scientists are still conducting research into it. But it's not an all-or-none scenario, where we either know everything or we know nothing. Some things are pretty well known and others aren't.

So to repeat the common refrain when talking with creationists....that's how science works.

Any experiment you try only supports intelligent design as soon as the human being (scientist) is introduced into the equation of any experiment.

Why? Wouldn't that only be true if the scientists directly assembled the molecules?

For example, I can take a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen, spark it, and the result will be mostly water. Does that therefore mean every water molecule in the universe was individually assembled by a god?

 

[Jose Fly]

That’s not any evidence, that’s a smoke screen for we hate God and have no clue.

Are you aware that the term "Big Bang" was initially intended to mock the idea, because some atheistic cosmologists didn't necessarily like how it supported the theistic belief that our universe had a beginning? Are you aware that the Big Bang was first seen as an appeal to theism?

 

[ElishaElijah]

The origin of the first life forms on earth is indeed a mystery. That's why scientists are still conducting research into it. But it's not an all-or-none scenario, where we either know everything or we know nothing. Some things are pretty well known and others aren't.

So to repeat the common refrain when talking with creationists....that's how science works.


Why? Wouldn't that only be true if the scientists directly assembled the molecules?

For example, I can take a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen, spark it, and the result will be mostly water. Does that therefore mean every water molecule in the universe was individually assembled by a god?

Who set up the experiment? The Creator, the Scientist. If you’re going to test abiogenesis then you would have to have that happen all by chance. Then that life would have to be able to sustain itself. This is something impossible and would never happen without God. Even in a lab nothing close to our every day life can be duplicated by man from that point.

 

[Jose Fly]

Who set up the experiment? The Creator, the Scientist.

So do you believe God personally assembles every molecule in the universe? Do you believe anything happens on its own, or do you believe God controls everything?

If you’re going to test abiogenesis then you would have to have that happen all by chance.

No, chemistry does not occur "by chance". To go back to our water example, the reason we get mostly water when we spark mixtures of hydrogen and oxygen, rather than random assortments of molecules, is specifically because chemistry does not occur "by chance".

Does that make sense?

Then that life would have to be able to sustain itself.

Correct.

This is something impossible and would never happen without God. Even in a lab nothing close to our every day life can be duplicated by man from that point.

Why is that?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So do you believe God personally assembles every molecule in the universe? Do you believe anything happens on its own, or do you believe God controls everything?

I didn’t say that, when you read Genesis that’s the Creation account. For example God gave us the seed to plant and continue to plant. He gave mankind the ability to have children for example. God is involved in His Creation, I believe He knows what’s going to happen before it does but don’t believe He is controlling everything, He knows the beginning from the end, His purposes will prevail.

 

[Jose Fly]

I didn’t say that, when you read Genesis that’s the Creation account. For example God gave us the seed to plant and continue to plant. He gave mankind the ability to have children for example. God is involved in His Creation, I believe He knows what’s going to happen before it does but don’t believe He is controlling everything, He knows the beginning from the end, His purposes will prevail.

So if God isn't controlling everything and isn't personally assembling every molecule in the universe, then the idea that chemistry happens all on its own shouldn't be a problem for you, right?

Also, you ignored most of what I posted to you, including some questions. Why is that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

They are guessing, using known facts but those particular facts in no way support or show that theory. They’re snake oil salesman or you are. Haven’t seen scientist doing the actual research as dogmatic as you all on here.
What Is the Big Bang Theory?
What is the Big Bang Theory?
By Elizabeth Howell , Andrew May published January 10, 2022

The Big Bang Theory is our best guess about how the universe began.

Oh my. A quote out of context. Do you really think that it is just a guess?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn’t say that, when you read Genesis that’s the Creation account. For example God gave us the seed to plant and continue to plant. He gave mankind the ability to have children for example. God is involved in His Creation, I believe He knows what’s going to happen before it does but don’t believe He is controlling everything, He knows the beginning from the end, His purposes will prevail.

All that Genesis got right was some rather basic observations that everyone knew at that time. What Genesis got wrong is everything else.

In other words it is exactly what we would expect to see if a bunch of ignorant sheep shaggers wrote it and none of what we would expect to see if a God wrote it..

 

[ElishaElijah]

So if God isn't controlling everything and isn't personally assembling every molecule in the universe, then the idea that chemistry happens all on its own shouldn't be a problem for you, right?

Also, you ignored most of what I posted to you, including some questions. Why is that?

I don’t intentionally ignore questions but some don’t seem relevant and can go off to a different tangent. Chemistry happens yes but the originator of the chemicals is God. So with abiogenesis apart from God there would be no chemicals. God made the laws put all that into effect like an engineer, architect and master builder. Then He gave us stewardship over His Creation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don’t intentionally ignore questions but some don’t seem relevant and can go off to a different tangent. Chemistry happens yes but the originator of the chemicals is God. So with abiogenesis apart from God there would be no chemicals. God made the laws put all that into effect like an engineer, architect and master builder. Then He gave us stewardship over His Creation.

Fine. You believe that. How would you go about finding evidence for your beliefs?