God is disproven by science? Really?

[ElishaElijah]

So what?



A muslim will say the same about the quran.
You can't both be right. You can both be wrong though.


Yeah, every religious believer of most, if not all, religions thinks his / her particular god performed "miracles" in their life.
Again: you can't all be right. But you can all be wrong.

I’m not a Muslim and neither are you, so not sure you bring up that diversion, but Muhammed is in the ground and dead, Jesus is alive.

I know Jesus Christ, have received healing, deliverance, His Spirit. In His name we cast out demons, heal people, have the word of reconciliation and people get saved and born again. He rose from the dead and the proof is his body was never found, witnesses who saw Him for 40 days after that as He walked among believers saw and ate with Him before He went up to Heaven.
Whether you believe or not isn’t up to me or anyone else, each person has to make that decision for themselves but your argument about being wrong… yeah someone is right and everyone else is wrong because their is only 1 Truth.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So is Star Wars.


You are just repeating your claims and not at all addressing the points I raised.

Repeating because you aren’t comprehending.
Star Wars was since the 1970’s compared to the Bible over they say 1500-1600 years maybe more. That’s just 1 of many examples that have been brought up.
They don’t compare, but you keep trying.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You as a bible believer believe the claims of / about the bible over the claims that muslims believe of / about the quran.

Shocking!

Well the guy was both he was Muslim and became a believer in Jesus Christ. Did you read what he said and the work other former Muslims were doing or no?
By your comment, no you did not and made a nonsensical comment. And to seal your ignorance said “Shocking”. It was how they differ and there are big differences, the Quran also does not compare to the Bible in its uniqueness, big differences in teaching, God, salvation. Not only that but Muhammad’s life compared to Jesus Christ. Not even close.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I’m not a Muslim and neither are you, so not sure you bring up that diversion, but Muhammed is in the ground and dead, Jesus is alive.

It's not a diversion and it is irrelevant that we aren't muslims. In fact, that we aren't muslims is exactly the point for bringing it up.

Precisely because you aren't a muslim, you don't even care about what they claim about the quran.
Now that you realize that, understand that I think the same about your claims about the bible.

You believe your bible claims, just like muslims believe their quran claims.
You call it a "diversion" and you completely miss the point that both of you are in the same boat.

I know Jesus Christ, have received healing, deliverance, His Spirit. In His name we cast out demons, heal people, have the word of reconciliation and people get saved and born again. He rose from the dead and the proof is his body was never found, witnesses who saw Him for 40 days after that as He walked among believers saw and ate with Him before He went up to Heaven.
Whether you believe or not isn’t up to me or anyone else, each person has to make that decision for themselves but your argument about being wrong… yeah someone is right and everyone else is wrong because their is only 1 Truth.

Again just repeating claims, completely unable to take a step back and actually honestly reflect on the argument presented to you.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Repeating because you aren’t comprehending.

I comprehend very well.

Star Wars was since the 1970’s compared to the Bible over they say 1500-1600 years maybe more.

So what?

That’s just 1 of many examples that have been brought up.

And you ignored all the others.

They don’t compare, but you keep trying.

There's nothing to compare here.
That people keep on expanding a story over centuries, does not make it true or credible.
Meanwhile you still completely ignored the actual relevant points brought up.

Oh well

I can see you are so dogmatically entrenched in your beliefs, you aren't willing to honestly reflect on anything being brought up that even has the slightest chance of forcing you to rethink your beliefs.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well the guy was both he was Muslim and became a believer in Jesus Christ. Did you read what he said and the work other former Muslims were doing or no?

I don't care, just like you don't care about christians who became muslims.
It's still religious confirmation bias from top to bottom. On both sides.

You are able to recognize it in religions you don't believe in, but are unable to see it in your own.

By your comment, no you did not and made a nonsensical comment. And to seal your ignorance said “Shocking”

I didn't expect you to see it any other way. You're far to closed minded for that.

It was how they differ and there are big differences, the Quran also does not compare to the Bible in its uniqueness,

Muslims say the same but then in favor of the quran.

big differences in teaching, God, salvation.

Off course there are differences. If they would say the same thing, they wouldn't be different religions, now would they?
The fact that they are different doesn't mean either one of them is correct or that one is more correct then the other.

Not only that but Muhammad’s life compared to Jesus Christ. Not even close.

So what?


It seems the majority of your arguments are just "so what" statements.
That, mixed in with religious bias and religious beliefs.

Meanwhile, you still ignore the points raised, like the fact that the list of points in that article had blatant falsehoods, which you completely ignored.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I don't care, just like you don't care about christians who became muslims.
It's still religious confirmation bias from top to bottom. On both sides.

You are able to recognize it in religions you don't believe in, but are unable to see it in your own.



I didn't expect you to see it any other way. You're far to closed minded for that.



Muslims say the same but then in favor of the quran.


Off course there are differences. If they would say the same thing, they wouldn't be different religions, now would they?
The fact that they are different doesn't mean either one of them is correct or that one is more correct then the other.


So what?


It seems the majority of your arguments are just "so what" statements.
That, mixed in with religious bias and religious beliefs.

Meanwhile, you still ignore the points raised, like the fact that the list of points in that article had blatant falsehoods, which you completely ignored.

It’s just the list of differences but you bring all your preconceived ideas and bias into the conversation.
Maybe just look at the differences, whether one believes or not the Bible is a unique Book and set apart from any other.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I comprehend very well.


So what?



And you ignored all the others.



There's nothing to compare here.
That people keep on expanding a story over centuries, does not make it true or credible.
Meanwhile you still completely ignored the actual relevant points brought up.

Oh well

I can see you are so dogmatically entrenched in your beliefs, you aren't willing to honestly reflect on anything being brought up that even has the slightest chance of forcing you to rethink your beliefs.

The Bible hasn’t changed and the only thing expanding is the Kingdom of God not the actual Book of the Bible.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Meanwhile, you still ignore the points raised, like the fact that the list of points in that article had blatant falsehoods, which you completely ignored.

I don’t know any falsehoods other than the falsehoods recorded in the Bible that people said, like what people said about God that were false.
I’ve looked at those and didn’t find peoples interpretation of the supposed falsehoods legit. That could go on for days though when the main point wasn’t that, IT WAS THAT THE BIBLE IS UNIQUE. And it is
You have a strawman you’re arguing against.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Precisely because you aren't a muslim, you don't even care about what they claim about the quran.
Now that you realize that, understand that I think the same about your claims about the bible.

I do because when I look at there claims and what they believe it’s obvious to me the Quran isn’t close to the Bible, neither is Muhammed to Jesus Christ. They don’t even know if they have eternal life or not, they have no guarantee of anything other than death in this life. Notice how the higher ups aren’t suicide bombers themselves compared to Jesus Christ giving his life for us.
I don’t really care what you believe or don’t believe, the discussion was that the Bible is unique compared to any other book.
You or someone else brought up the other books for comparison and that was that. They don’t compare with the Bible.

 

[JPGYAN]

Belief in God often extends beyond scientific evidence or rational thinking and can be deeply rooted in personal experiences, cultural upbringing, and spiritual intuition For many, the existence of God is rather a matter of faith rather than empirical or invalid evidence.

 

[metis]

@Kenny

It's obvious that scriptural accounts don't always jive. I have shown this example many times here at RF using the variations with the women visiting Jesus' tomb, sometimes point by point. For some to insist that the scriptures are 100% accurate with no variations is simply a form of idolatry, as they are about God but are not God.

 

[Audie]

I comprehend very well.


So what?



And you ignored all the others.



There's nothing to compare here.
That people keep on expanding a story over centuries, does not make it true or credible.
Meanwhile you still completely ignored the actual relevant points brought up.

Oh well

I can see you are so dogmatically entrenched in your beliefs, you aren't willing to honestly reflect on anything being brought up that even has the slightest chance of forcing you to rethink your beliefs.

When the bible was 10 yrs old
It was not credible. Give S.W. a
few more years, it will become true.

 

[YoursTrue]

There are sometimes "variations" in accounts, and we can see that clearly in the women's visitation to Jesus' tomb as no two match.

I have told a story once or twice about a meeting I had with someone and it was repeated in my presence, similar but not exact. I did not dispute since there were no big enough discrepancies for me to bicker with.

 

[flowerpower]

God isn't disproven by science. Never was, never has been.

That doesn't even make scientific sense.

Science is about measuring observable, tangible phenomena. That's never what god has ever been except for on a sociological and possibly psychological level - which is still as weak as it gets when it comes to "proving it".

 

[YoursTrue]

The word for twisting your nose is wringing, forcing,churning you do that your nose will bleed.
Does unique mean true, not necessarily for everything but in the context of what we are talking concerning the Bible, Yes it’s one of the tests of authenticity of the message that God gave us to know Him and His plans, thoughts, character, love and lengths He goes to demonstrate this.
Of course the miracles are true, I’ve witnessed them and received them. What are miracles to us are nothing for God, that’s what He does. I don’t even think He considers them miracles, we just do, because we can’t do them without Him.

I have looked into other religions and find the Bible to be beyond compare in its essence and history.

 

[YoursTrue]

God isn't disproven by science. Never was, never has been.

That doesn't even make scientific sense.

Science is about measuring observable, tangible phenomena. That's never what god has ever been except for on a sociological and possibly psychological level - which is still as weak as it gets when it comes to "proving it".

Hi. The problem really isn't science insofar as workable, testable theories go. Just to reiterate, I take vaccines because I BELIEVE they work. I get my blood analyzed because I BELIEVE science can determine certain things from the blood. (among other things.)
The theory of evolution conflicts with what the Bible says. And so I have decided to go with the Bible. I understand the theory but do not agree with many of its suppositions. Yes, I call them suppositions because there really is no proof that fish eventually transposed, morphed, or evolved in a manner of speaking of transposition eventually to become humans. No matter fossils and imaginations, I no longer believe the theory as said by many.

 

[blü 2]

Yes many different stories about God our Father and Creator, how He loves us and redeemed us from the devil who had the power of death but not anymore! So awesome!

Tell me, why was it necessary for Jesus to die before God would "forgive sins"?

[He}'s omnipotent, they say, so what could Jesus' crucifixion achieve that those omnipotent fingers with just one snap could not achieve?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Tell me, why was it necessary for Jesus to die before God would "forgive sins"?

[He}'s omnipotent, they say, so what could Jesus' crucifixion achieve that those omnipotent fingers with just one snap could not achieve?

Read the Book of Hebrews

 

[blü 2]

Read the Book of Hebrews

If you don't know, just say so. No one else seems to know either.