God is disproven by science? Really?

[Dan From Smithville]

@Dan From Smithville

Have gotten you where? At your age what do you have to show for your life? You’re at the end of your life and still haven’t figured out why you’re here.

Weren’t you saying this comment was belittling?

I think it is, but even that is irrelevant. The questions put to you were valid. That you refuse to answer them is relevant. That you went to the lengths you have to avoid answering them is relevant.

Ah well, I can see this has gone to no useful end and there is no point in continuing.

 

[MonkeyFire]

God creates time, there is no other wayz

 

[ElishaElijah]

I think it is, but even that is irrelevant. The questions put to you were valid. That you refuse to answer them is relevant. That you went to the lengths you have to avoid answering them is relevant.

Ah well, I can see this has gone to no useful end and there is no point in continuing.

This is very useful, you think after what another member communicated to me how he had solid facts and the archeology and my testimony were nothing but fantasy etc. and I ask him these questions about “his supposed facts” where they have gotten him and if he even knows why he is here is belittling? No sir, they are valid questions that everyone should consider before leaving this earth and meeting God, which I know is going to happen.
So if you think patty cake is a good idea I don’t.
Your questions were irrelevant and not worth answering, if I had you had something else in mind.

 

[Audie]

God creates time, there is no other wayz

So, did you make that up yourself
or do you just parrot what someone
else made up?

 

[SkepticThinker]

No… that would be an opinion.

It's not merely an opinion that we have old stories in old books. That's just a fact.

What makes it believable was the truth that there was an empty tomb and that the Jewish leaders and the Romans couldn’t produce the body of the Messiah.

Except that's just another part of the story in the book.

 

[Kenny]

It's not merely an opinion that we have old stories in old books. That's just a fact.

Except that's just another part of the story in the book.

I’ll remember that the next time I read an old autobiography or history book. Thanks for keeping me abreast.

 

[Audie]

I’ll remember that the next time I read an old autobiography or history book. Thanks for keeping me abreast.

Try keeping in mind that books about real
things tend yo be independantly verifiable.

And dont rely on magic to keep the plot moving.

 

[Kenny]

Try keeping in mind that books about real
things tend yo be independantly verifiable.

And dont rely on magic to keep the plot moving.

That was a great slight of hands.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, here we go again, based on a few posts I read in this thread. Does anyone really KNOW what the first living form was? And how it came about? So let's say there's a

It's not merely an opinion that we have old stories in old books. That's just a fact.

Except that's just another part of the story in the book.

It's just too detailed and coordinating in my opinion to be fiction. Nope. As far as I am concerned, it's true. But that's me and I leave the judging to God to see what will happen in the future.

 

[YoursTrue]

Try keeping in mind that books about real
things tend yo be independantly verifiable.

And dont rely on magic to keep the plot moving.

Regardless of what you think, I find it remarkable that the details in the Bible are so coordinated during all the years it was written. also about the resurrection of Jesus and other resurrections, and I also find it amazing that what is considered by many as the inspired word of God stopped being coordinated (put together) a long time ago, and basically has remained the same. And it applies to our day today as well as my life and wellbeing, as far as I am concerned (and know).

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Regardless of what you think, I find it remarkable that the details in the Bible are so coordinated during all the years it was written. also about the resurrection of Jesus and other resurrections, and I also find it amazing that what is considered by many as the inspired word of God stopped being coordinated (put together) a long time ago, and basically has remained the same. And it applies to our day today as well as my life and wellbeing, as far as I am concerned (and know).

Well, first of all, we know for a fact that it hasn't remained the same.
We also know for a fact that the bible was compiled by metaphorical popular vote in the year 382.
We also know for a fact that plenty of religious scripture / books didn't make the cut at that meeting, meaning it was compiled by human design.


And when I look at books / epic stories like the Quran, the bagavad ghita, Lord of the Rings, the Harry Potter series, Star Wars, Game of Thrones,... it seems to me that being able to write fictional stories that are "coordinated", internally consistent and written over several years lies well within the capability of humans.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And when I look at books / epic stories like the Quran, the bagavad ghita, Lord of the Rings, the Harry Potter series, Star Wars, Game of Thrones,... it seems to me that being able to write fictional stories that are "coordinated", internally consistent and written over several years lies well within the capability of humans.

You can for sure compare these books to each other as far as written over several years, coordinated etc. but not even close to the Bible. The Bible is unique:

Lesson 1: The Bible’s Uniqueness | Bible.org

The law of the LORD is perfect and preserves one’s life. The rules set down by the LORD are reliable and impart wisdom to the inexperienced. The LORD’s precepts are fair and make one joyful. The LORD’s commands are pure and give insight for life. Psalm 19:7-8 (NET) Hypothetically, what would you...

bible.org

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You can for sure compare these books to each other as far as written over several years, coordinated etc. but not even close to the Bible. The Bible is unique:

Lesson 1: The Bible’s Uniqueness | Bible.org

The law of the LORD is perfect and preserves one’s life. The rules set down by the LORD are reliable and impart wisdom to the inexperienced. The LORD’s precepts are fair and make one joyful. The LORD’s commands are pure and give insight for life. Psalm 19:7-8 (NET) Hypothetically, what would you...

bible.org

The bible is not unique.

And bible believers claiming otherwise is no different from muslims claiming the quran is unique.
Every believer thinks their book is "special".

Go ask a star wars fanatic how their star wars story compares to star trek and vice versa.
Same thing.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The bible is not unique.

To you it’s not and just your opinion. But according to the facts listed in Lesson 1 shows that it is.

This is just one fact:
Many famous writers will write approximately one page a day to complete a new book every year. In contrast, the Bible took around 1500 years to complete.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

To you it’s not and just your opinion. But according to the facts listed in Lesson 1 shows that it is.

Plenty of things it listed aren't facts at all, but mere religious beliefs and in some cases fullblown falsehoods.

For example:

• It would be the best historically preserved book of all time.

We know for a fact it changed. It also isn't any more preserved then the quran for example.

• It would be completely accurate and without error

We know for a fact that it isn't. It is NOT "completely accurate" and it certainly is not "without error". It makes all kinds of historical mistakes and it is self-contradicting in various places also.

• It would be the most impactful book ever—affecting not just a nation, but the entire globe.

Plenty of books were that impactful, the quran included

• You might even think it would be dangerous for people to not read it.

It clearly isn't. Unless you are referring to subjects living in fundamentalist christian theocracies where they might get prosecuted for not reading the bible

All these things are false claims that I would completely expect from apologetic believers. And indeed apologetic muslims make the exact same claims about their particular holy book.

This is just one fact:
Many famous writers will write approximately one page a day to complete a new book every year. In contrast, the Bible took around 1500 years to complete.

So what?
Also, it's a collection of books. Not "one" book. So at best, you are misrepresenting it here.

 

[metis]

Different accounts simply gives us a more complete picture.

There are sometimes "variations" in accounts, and we can see that clearly in the women's visitation to Jesus' tomb as no two match.

 

[Kenny]

There are sometimes "variations" in accounts, and we can see that clearly in the women's visitation to Jesus' tomb as no two match.

Correct… I think that it is put in order by the Chronological Bible

 

[metis]

Correct… I think that it is put in order by the Chronological Bible

I can't see how? 1 is not 2. inside is not the same as outside. ...

There are a great many variations in scripture, but that does not mean nor imply that the scriptures as a whole are fake.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So what?
Also, it's a collection of books. Not "one" book. So at best, you are misrepresenting it here.

Yes it’s One Story from Genesis to Revelation.

The Bible is unique in its diversity and harmony.

Written over a span of 40 generations and about 1,600 years, by more than 40 authors from varying walks of life, on three continents (Asia, Africa and Europe) and in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek), the Bible is unlike any other book in the world. It includes history, poetry, prophecy, law, parables and preaching, and it covers a broad range of subject matter (including hundreds of controversial topics) from the nature of God to the origin of man.2

Considering the diversity of its writers and subject matter, one might expect at least some conflict or inconsistency in the content and themes presented in the Bible, and yet...

• the Bible is one complete epic story centered around one extraordinary character.
• the Bible addresses numerous topics and themes throughout the text with incredible harmony and resolution. (For instance, the paradise lost of the first book of the Bible becomes the paradise regained of the last book of the Bible. The access to the Tree of Life, which was closed in the first book of the Bible, is opened forevermore in the last book of the Bible.)

Like the instruments in a symphony, each writer of the Bible is quite different from the others. When you hear an orchestra playing with flawless harmony, you naturally assume that it is being directed by an accomplished conductor. Why should we think any differently in regard to the Bible, which is far more complex in content and scope than any symphonic score?

 

[Audie]

I can't see how? 1 is not 2. inside is not the same as outside. ...

There are a great many variations in scripture, but that does not mean nor imply that the scriptures as a whole are fake.

Not as a whole. Here and there
one finds verifiable information.
And a lot of semi historical stuff, but none
of the supernatural can be confirmed.

Perhaps more important, the major supernatural
events simply did not happen, are in no way true.


Its well to remember that scammers sprinkle
clear facts and common sense into their pitch.