God is nice and is doing his best to eliminate suffering.

[Trailblazer]

I don't know that there is a god that is doing anything. Including existing. You don't seem to be able to hold onto that understanding.

I do understand that.

Moreover, godhood is irrelevant. An omnipotent being, god or otherwise, who is doing her "best" at a task would be able to instantly succeed at that task. That is what it means to be able to do anything.

I also understand and believe that.

 

[ppp]

I also understand and believe that.

Color me dubious.

 

[Link]

Nope. Still none the wiser. If anything, I don't even know what point you are trying to make anymore. The surfeit of platitudes is addling my brain. I kinda know how you must feel now. My sympathies.

Salam

It means meaning of humans and Angels needs trial or creatures would worship God in meaningless way so much so that no good and evil would exist, and no reward and punishment would exist.

 

[Link]

Salam

You were asking before that "what meaning?". This is why that sermon is good as it elaborates the virtue of humble patience in the trial.

 

[Link]

This god being ending someone's;' life would in no way make the meaning of the trial of free will go away. If that were the case then the meaning of the trial of free will goes away each and every time this god being ends any person's life.

Think about what you are saying. Do you truly believe that?

 

[Link]

If your god were both real and omnipotent, then that statement would be obviously and necessarily false.

Can you show why?

 

[ppp]

Can you show why?

I already did.
#100

 

[Link]

I already did.
#100

That's stating the same assertion with more words. There's no substance.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Think about what you are saying. Do you truly believe that?

Do you truly believe that it's not true? Is it your opinion that every single time god brings a human being's life to an end that this god is violating that person's free will? If not then you agree with me that god can take the life of a child murderer any time god wants to without violating the murder's free will.

 

[Link]

Do you truly believe that it's not true? Is it your opinion that every single time god brings a human being's life to an end that this god is violating that person's free will? If not then you agree with me that god can take the life of a child murderer any time god wants to without violating the murder's free will.

Your statement is meant at a different angle nothing to do with my statement, though, they use same/similar words.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Your statement is meant at a different angle nothing to do with my statement, though, they use same/similar words.

WHAT? Can't you just answer a simple question directly, regardless of whether or not you think it is 'meant at a different angle' - whatever that means.

It seems like every time I ask a pertinent question you find some excuse to ignore it.

Does god violate every person's free will when god ends their life? If the answer is no, then you must agree that god ending the life of a child murderer in no way violates the murderer's free will.

Please just answer the question instead of doing your best to run away from it.

 

[ppp]

That's stating the same assertion with more words. There's no substance.

Well, duh. It is deductive reasoning, not inductive. We are not talking about whether or not there is a real omnipotent being somewhere (aka 'substance'). We are talking about whether or not the concepts behind the label "omnipotent" are compatible with failing to accomplish a goal that is given "best" effort. They are not.

If I were not forming a tautology, I would not be forming a sound deductive argument.

If you are going to nitpick, @Link, at least pick legitimate nits.

 

[Link]

Well, duh. It is deductive reasoning, not inductive. We are not talking about whether or not there is a real omnipotent being somewhere (aka 'substance'). We are talking about whether or not the concepts behind the label "omnipotent" are compatible with failing to accomplish a goal that is given "best" effort. They are not.

If I were not forming a tautology, I would not be forming a sound deductive argument.

If you are going to nitpick, @Link, at least pick legitimate nits.

You are repeating assertions without addressing OP, or the other posts that followed from me in this thread.

 

[Link]

WHAT? Can't you just answer a simple question directly, regardless of whether or not you think it is 'meant at a different angle' - whatever that means.

It seems like every time I ask a pertinent question you find some excuse to ignore it.

Does god violate every person's free will when god ends their life? If the answer is no, then you must agree that god ending the life of a child murderer in no way violates the murderer's free will.

Please just answer the question instead of doing your best to run away from it.

What do you mean when God ends their life? Explain the details.

 

[ppp]

You are repeating assertions without addressing OP, or the other posts that followed from me in this thread.

You keep making false statements. When called your false statements everyone of your replies is another false statement and an attempt to distract from the last. Bless your heart.

Since this whole interchange is in direct response to a post that you made, @Link, the only way I could be off topic is if you were off topic in the first place. Bless your heart.

 

[KWED]

Salam

Why do you start each post with the Arabic for "submission to god's will"?

It means meaning of humans and Angels needs trial or creatures would worship God in meaningless way so much so that no good and evil would exist, and no reward and punishment would exist.

But the vast majority of people simply worship the god they were raised to worship, because that was the god their family/community has been worshiping for decades/centuries. What is more meaningless than that?
The "trials" you talk of don't usually change their belief , other than sometimes to remove it - which god already knew would happen.
So given this, what is the point of visiting so much suffering on people?

 

[KWED]

You were asking before that "what meaning?". This is why that sermon is good as it elaborates the virtue of humble patience in the trial.

Explain what "the virtue of humble patience in the trial" means.

 

[KWED]

That's stating the same assertion with more words. There's no substance.

 

[Link]

You keep making false statements. When called your false statements everyone of your replies is another false statement and an attempt to distract from the last. Bless your heart.

Since this whole interchange is in direct response to a post that you made, @Link, the only way I could be off topic is if you were off topic in the first place. Bless your heart.

Salam

God can't do impossible things. He can't make love ascend to him without will, and will has to be free. Hence, he can't do everything we assert, just everything that is possible.

Let's start with that. It's because I've answered this in the OP and other posts. But I will start with that with you, since, you are emphasizing on tautology of God's omnipotence.

 

[Link]

Why do you start each post with the Arabic for "submission to god's will"?

I wish everyone peace, inwardly and outwardly.

Salam