God/Jesus sinned. Genocide is a sin of high order.

[challupa]

Through our own logic and reason and personal experience. I don't know about you but I don't need to drag others over to my side of thinking just to prove to myself that my thinking works for me.
I really like that!:yes:


Secularism is not against religion it merely seeks to keep religion separate from politics and government, places religion never should have entered to begin with. How would having a theocracy make the world a better place?

Yes secularism is what makes it possible for us to practice our religions or be an athiest. It allows for the diversity and multiculturalism we have in this world. It makes it easier for diverse groups of people to coexist with less strife. It's not a bad thing.:no:

Well said MW

 

[MoonWater]

Yes secularism is what makes it possible for us to practice our religions or be an athiest. It allows for the diversity and multiculturalism we have in this world. It makes it easier for diverse groups of people to coexist with less strife. It's not a bad thing.:no:

Well said MW

thanks

 

[Greatest I am]

A good question but I think the way it would work out is that since god had just created adam and eve he would know them very intimately but as time went on humanity changed from what he had originally intended and so he no longer knew man as well as in the beginning, so he had to get to know them all over again.

How easy for us to thwart God's will.
Man stronger and more powerful than God. I like it.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

M W
It is impossible to force someone to think in a certain way unless they convince themselves that the information is sound.
All any of us can do is to try to make the information sound. If it is and not recognized then so be it.

“Through our own logic and reason and personal experience. I don't know about you but I don't need to drag others over to my side of thinking just to prove to myself that my thinking works for me.”

If two or more are gathered in my name then there I be.
One opinion does not a God create. Two, then perhaps.
A believer cannot help but have his vote be effected by his religious beliefs.
It is thus impossible to fully separate Church and State. Man cannot ignore his natures be it the political nature or his spiritual nature.

Regards
DL

 

[MoonWater]

M W
It is impossible to force someone to think in a certain way unless they convince themselves that the information is sound.
All any of us can do is to try to make the information sound. If it is and not recognized then so be it.

I have no problem discussing and explaining my beliefs with and to others. But there's a difference between having a discussion and trying to convince the other that your way is the only way(which is proselytizing). I don't do the latter, partly because it's disrespectful and rude and the part because I just don't believe that my way is the only way.

“Through our own logic and reason and personal experience. I don't know about you but I don't need to drag others over to my side of thinking just to prove to myself that my thinking works for me.”

If two or more are gathered in my name then there I be.
One opinion does not a God create. Two, then perhaps.

I'm not looking to create a god. I'm only looking to walk my own spiritual path, and I leave others to walk theirs, that is all.

A believer cannot help but have his vote be effected by his religious beliefs.

Yes they can. I myself would never vote against abortion despite the fact that I am personally against it. I can also name a few other people on here like Katzpur who is LDS but still opposed prop 8 despite how much his church was in favor of it. So it is more than possible.

It is thus impossible to fully separate Church and State. Man cannot ignore his natures be it the political nature or his spiritual nature.

Regards
DL

True we may never be able to fully seperate church and state but we should try as much as possible. Many of the great atrocities of the world(crusades, witch burnings) happened in times and places where religion and politics were put in the same boat. All too often the two corrupt each other. And like I said to keep religion and politics together would lead to a theocracy, we would not have the freedom that we do in this country if we were under a theocracy. Are you against freedom and personal choice? Do you think we would all be better off under a theocracy or that the ideal form of government is a theocracy?

Challupa said it better than I could:

Yes secularism is what makes it possible for us to practice our religions or be an athiest. It allows for the diversity and multiculturalism we have in this world. It makes it easier for diverse groups of people to coexist with less strife. It's not a bad thing.:no:

 

[challupa]

Thanks MW.

 

[MoonWater]

How easy for us to thwart God's will.
Man stronger and more powerful than God. I like it.

Regards
DL

Not what I meant at all though. It's merely about god trying to get to know us all over again, power has nothing to do with it, or at least it shouldn't. In a way, though we are stronger than the gods as the gods can hold no power over us unless we let them. Even so that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I feel I should also point out that I'm not advocating this as a viewpoint that I believe, it's merely a viewpoint from which I can understand the Abrahamic God a little better, I do not however, personally follow him.

 

[MoonWater]

Thanks MW.

Just giving, credit where credit is due. Your welcome.

 

[Greatest I am]

M W

Secularist laws are for sure better at present than religious laws.

That God is proving to have a better mind that other Gods.

If Religionist want to win this tug of war then they will have to rethink their Bibles and their God.

Oops, can't judge God. Oh well.

You are right though in saying that there are many roads to God.

We still have a duty to correct if we see someone on the wrong path.

Suicide bombers and such need guidance. We have to give it. If accepted well and good. If not then the teacher must live with the bomb.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

M W

If against abortion, what factor is making you vote for it?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Not what I meant at all though. It's merely about god trying to get to know us all over again, quote]

Yes, the Christian God is a strange one. He creates man without knowing him if as you say He must get to know us.

And here I thought that man had not changed in 3000 years.

He has not in any fundamental way, unless you care to inform.

Regards
DL

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I came across something yesterday that I think is relevant to this discussion in the Book of Matthew (11:20-24) - note the part I've bolded:

Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you."

Do you think this implies that God had the power to turn Sodom from evil but didn't?

Do you think that the answer to this first question affects whether or not it was just for God to destroy Sodom?

 

[Greatest I am]

I came across something yesterday that I think is relevant to this discussion in the Book of Matthew (11:20-24) - note the part I've bolded:


Do you think this implies that God had the power to turn Sodom from evil but didn't?

Do you think that the answer to this first question affects whether or not it was just for God to destroy Sodom?

I do not read literally and do not believe in a miracle working God but will say, that if there were such, then there would be no limit to his power and yes, he could have just made an aptitude adjustment to their minds.
No need to kill.
Scripture though says that all of Gods works are perfect. One wonders then, as we are all perfect works, with a built in sin factor, why would this God kill His perfect works. Crazy right?

God is shown in scripture to be a genocidal maniac. Sodom then is small potatoes to what He is guilty of.

Why Christians became sheep to this fool is beyond my understanding.

They must prefer slavery to freedom.

Regards
DL

 

[Hospitaller]

If God takes back His gifts then He is not much of a God. Man could never trust Him. A killer for sure, a liar as well? Here is a gift. Fooled you, I take it back. Now repeat millions of times.

Should a law maker follow his own rules?

Regards
DL

life is a gift, yes, but the real gift that He wants us to have is eternal life. if you die and go to Heaven, then God takes away one gift and gives you a better one. but if you die and go to Hell, then it was by your hand that you failed through sin, it wasn't God's fault. and God gives us all the chances we need to get to Heaven. but do we take them? not all of us.

 

[Greatest I am]

life is a gift, yes, but the real gift that He wants us to have is eternal life. if you die and go to Heaven, then God takes away one gift and gives you a better one. but if you die and go to Hell, then it was by your hand that you failed through sin, it wasn't God's fault. and God gives us all the chances we need to get to Heaven. but do we take them? not all of us.

Yep, eternal fife in hell is good justice for small sinners and big sinners alike.
If you ever do the same on earth the one with a parking ticket will rub elbows with killers for all time.

Good justice right? It matches what your God does so it must be. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[Heneni]

Yep, eternal fife in hell is good justice for small sinners and big sinners alike.

Exactly, and we are all here on earth, big sinners and small sinners alike.

If you ever do the same on earth the one with a parking ticket will rub elbows with killers for all time.

True, moses killed an egyptian. He's declared righteous because of his faith in god. Rachel, a prostitute is declared righteous for hiding the spies. The tax collectors and prostitutes entered heaven before those who thought they had it all together.

Whoever has been forgiven much, loves much. Its faith in god, and not our righteous acts that declares us righteous. God wants people around who trust him and have faith in him, more than people who can figure out the definition of the term 'murder' or 'genocide'

ALL have sinned and ALL have fallen short. But those who desire and yearn for god..will not be dissapointed.

 

[Greatest I am]

Exactly, and we are all here on earth, big sinners and small sinners alike.



True, moses killed an egyptian. He's declared righteous because of his faith in god. Rachel, a prostitute is declared righteous for hiding the spies. The tax collectors and prostitutes entered heaven before those who thought they had it all together.

Whoever has been forgiven much, loves much. Its faith in god, and not our righteous acts that declares us righteous. God wants people around who trust him and have faith in him, more than people who can figure out the definition of the term 'murder' or 'genocide'

ALL have sinned and ALL have fallen short. But those who desire and yearn for god..will not be dissapointed.

I do not have time for the blind.

Follow your genocidal God elsewhere.

Regards
DL

 

[Heneni]

I do not have time for the blind.

Follow your genocidal God elsewhere.

Regards
DL

To my god, all those living and dead are alive. But you are the walking dead. Who are you following to the grave then?

I will not say to you....follow your 'death' god...that would be giving you the wrong advice.

Heneni

 

[Greatest I am]

To my god, all those living and dead are alive. But you are the walking dead. Who are you following to the grave then?

I will not say to you....follow your 'death' god...that would be giving you the wrong advice.

Heneni

I reject the genocidal maniac and follow a God that does not take pleasure in killing mankind.

Follow yours to hell.
I will follow mine to heaven.

Ps. I can call you as many things as you call me. Shall we do this all day or are we finished. I am BTW.

Regards
DL

 

[Heneni]

I reject the genocidal maniac and follow a God that does not take pleasure in killing mankind.

Follow yours to hell.
I will follow mine to heaven.

Ps. I can call you as many things as you call me. Shall we do this all day or are we finished. I am BTW.

Regards
DL

HE HE....there are only two possibilities that we shall see each other in heaven.

1. You are my brother/sister - NAAAAA...
2. You try to force your way in there, and i have to kick your but out.

I think it will be number 2. Since my genocidal god wont be pleased with your analysis of his character,....im sure he wont mind if you leave instead of him.

Heneni