God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[paarsurrey]

Earth is not at the center of the Universe. There is not such a thing as the center of the Universe.
Ciao
- viole

Since humans live on Earth, hence it is the centre of their attention and therefore of the universe. Understand?
Regards

 

[Ouroboros]

Before direction and dimension,
there was nothingness, so says a theory.
hey BB, What is 'up' ?
I'll quote something from an old friend:
"In nothingness dwells the massless void
There be the darkness of the void:
There be not motion, thence not direction
There be not direction, thence not dimension
There be not dimension, thence not time
There be not time, thence none passeth
There be not time passeth, thence infinity be finite"
Nik
I repeat: What is 'up' ?
~
'mud

And what is darkness?

Any description of nothingness would require something. Nothingness can't be described. Has no properties. Has to categories. Has no name.

 

[viole]

Since humans live on Earth, hence it is the centre of their attention and therefore of the universe. Understand?
Regards

If you took care to check what I wrote, you would have realized that I addressed this quote

"If Earth is near the center of the universe, and 6,000 OR SO years passed since creation, relativity informs us that certainly the furthest points had 13.7 Billion years to reach us with their light! Of course! Old universe, young Earth. There are several nice books on this very subject."

How is that related to our center of attention? Do you think that the things we care for can give us hints about cosmology?

Understand?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Shad]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Unless and until the Atheists and the like give evidence that "G-d does not exist" nobody with wisdom would deny existence of G-d.

Shifting burden of proof, ad hominem and ad populum fallacies

. Science is not ready to lift this burden of the Atheists which is understandable from the fact that they (the science) have not yet fixed a discipline for it. If there is such a discipline please let us know. Will one, please?
Regards

The burden is upon you and gnostic atheists. Agnostic atheists can still rest firmly on the inability for theists to support their claims.

 

[`mud]

Nothingness would contain absolute darkness;
absolute darkness is the absence of energy, direction, and dimension.
It never really existed, despite all theories to the opposition to it !
~
'mud

 

[McBell]

Unless and until the Atheists and the like give evidence that "G-d does not exist" nobody with wisdom would deny existence of G-d.

Interesting the number of people whose faith is so weak they needs use this type of dishonesty to protect it.

Science does not deal in this subject, so if some people believe out of blind faith in science that it could deal with it, they are wrong. Science is not ready to lift this burden of the Atheists which is understandable from the fact that they (the science) have not yet fixed a discipline for it. If there is such a discipline please let us know. Will one, please?
Regards

word salad

 

[gnostic]

paarsurrey said: ↑
I did not say that G-d was observable by science. Yet, the experiments are done on the objects created by Him. So the result reflects and provides knowledge in the things created.
Regards

Unless and until the Atheists and the like give evidence that "G-d does not exist" nobody with wisdom would deny existence of G-d.
Science does not deal in this subject, so if some people believe out of blind faith in science that it could deal with it, they are wrong. Science is not ready to lift this burden of the Atheists which is understandable from the fact that they (the science) have not yet fixed a discipline for it. If there is such a discipline please let us know. Will one, please?
Regards

When are you going to get into your head that science is not atheism and atheism is not science.

Science don't belong to theism, atheism or agnosticism. These three only deal with the question of god's existence:

1. The first one believe,
2. The second one don't believe
3. And the third say they both (above) cannot possibly know.

Each one is religious-based subject, not a science one. Science has nothing to with the 3 possible positions.

Theism and religion are the ones that deal with faith.

And it is the theists who rely on blind faith to support their belief, because there are no evidences to support their faith.

I would call this simply as theism as make-believe and wishful thinking.

And judging by your claim that science operates on blind faith, you don't really understand what faith is, do you?

You have really no idea, what FAITH mean. LOL

Your religion, Islam is faith-based religion: always has been, always will be. You are operating on FAITH, when you believe in the words from Muhammad or his Qur'an.

Science is concern with evidences, not faith.

If there are no evidences to any claim, then science would say the lack of evidences demonstrate that the claims are baseless.

That you keep associating atheists and atheism to science, just shows how very ignorant you really are, paarsurrey.

Stop making a fool of yourself with things that you don't understand. And you don't understand science, so stop pretending that you do.

If you want to be intelligent, then -

1. you should ask questions about anything you don't understand about science,
2. learn from people who understand science,
3. and understand what you can learn from others.

Once you understand, then maybe, just maybe, you can have intelligent discussion or debate.

 

[gnostic]

Nothingness would contain absolute darkness;
absolute darkness is the absence of energy, direction, and dimension.
It never really existed, despite all theories to the opposition to it !
~
'mud

They are still hypothetical, but where do dark energy and dark matters come into all this?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Unless and until the Atheists and the like give evidence that "G-d does not exist" nobody with wisdom would deny existence of G-d.
Science does not deal in this subject, so if some people believe out of blind faith in science that it could deal with it, they are wrong. Science is not ready to lift this burden of the Atheists which is understandable from the fact that they (the science) have not yet fixed a discipline for it. If there is such a discipline please let us know. Will one, please?
Regards

If you're going to make assertions about how and why this god does things and that "he" created everything, then I'd say it's up to you to demonstrate that this god exists in the first place. Don'tcha think? Why would it be up to anybody else to give evidence that this god does NOT exist when you're the one making claims about "him?" That doesn't make any sense.

 

[outhouse]

Since humans live on Earth

Are you arguing the earth is only 6000 years old???????


Or something else???

 

[gnostic]

Are you arguing the earth is only 6000 years old???????

Or something else???

I think that since the Qur'an don't keep tab on the age of any individual or the number of years of new generation, or the reigns of kings, Muslims have no idea of time that had taken place (eg when did the creation of Adam, when did the Flood occur, what is the timeframe between Flood and birth of Abraham, how long did David or Solomon reign for, when did Jesus' ministry occur, etc?)

The only I can recall that the Qur'an match with any time of the Bible is that God took six days to create Earth.

Since, Muhammad can't read, I don't think he could keep track all the years listed in the bible, so for obvious reason those number of years left out of his Qur'an. This is how you can tell that as scripture goes, Muhammad did a hatchet job on the finer details that are in the bible.

For Muslims, their Islam calendar only began when Muhammad received his so-called revelation for the first time, as if nothing existed before Muhammad.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Unless and until the Atheists and the like give evidence that "G-d does not exist"

That still isn't how it works. You're the one making the positive claim that God exists, you have to provide the evidence. That's how the onus of proof works. Otherwise people would be able to get away with claiming anything was true.

And there's as much evidence out there to support the claim that your god is true as much as anybody else's. Just about any argument you make can be applied to any other gods.

nobody with wisdom would deny existence of G-d.

There were plenty of wise people who didn't believe in the Abrahamic god.

Science does not deal in this subject, so if some people believe out of blind faith in science that it could deal with it, they are wrong.

1) Science doesn't deal in "blind faith" because science produces measurable, observable results.
2) Very convenient that their "blind faith" is wrong but yours is right. I'd ask you to substantiate that, but you can't.

Science is not ready to lift this burden of the Atheists which is understandable from the fact that they (the science) have not yet fixed a discipline for it. If there is such a discipline please let us know.

What are you even talking about? A discipline for what, exactly?

Oh, and science and atheism are not the same thing. There are scientists who believe.

 

[`mud]

hey Gnostic,
As said: "nothingness, absolute darkness, & absence of energy,direction,and dimension;
never really existed", nor the "Big Bang", I believe in none of them.
About dark energy and dark matters, I'm still not sure.
We need more evidence, it's a lot like the Thiest's beliefs !
I'm getting too old for this, you figure it out !
We need more evidence !
~
'mud

 

[`mud]

hey Gnostic,
It's all about: from what is a photon made ?
Answer that and we can evolve further.
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

Nothingness would contain absolute darkness;
absolute darkness is the absence of energy, direction, and dimension.
It never really existed, despite all theories to the opposition to it !
~
'mud

so you can believe in non-existence?
or all things have existed ....always?

 

[`mud]

hey Thief,
what was said: "...never really existed..."
and: "....absence of...."
you might try reading it again.
~
as said:.....all things evolve from what was....
find the causation, and your 'spirit'.
You can say 'God did it' if you want to,
but 'it' evolves from what was.
~
'mud

 

[paarsurrey]

Are you arguing the earth is only 6000 years old???????
Or something else???

No, I never said that.
Regards

 

[gnostic]

hey Gnostic,
As said: "nothingness, absolute darkness, & absence of energy,direction,and dimension;
never really existed", nor the "Big Bang", I believe in none of them.
About dark energy and dark matters, I'm still not sure.
We need more evidence, it's a lot like the theist's beliefs !
I'm getting too old for this, you figure it out !
We need more evidence !
~
'mud

We definitely need evidences, but scientists are at loss of where to account for the rest of total mass of the universe.

Gravitational forces between too massive objects (galaxies for instance), should be pulling them together, but something is pushing them away from each other. So instead of universe contracting to eventual Big Crunch, the universe is actually expanding, and it is accelerating in its inflation, with most of the galaxies moving away from each other's.

This force that causing the universe to accelerate its expansion, scientists hypothesise that dark energy is likely the cause. But no one have been able to directly detect dark energy, but it does seem have real effect on stars and galaxies.

But you are right, we need evidences, and more of it, to convince us (including me) that dark energy and dark matters exist.

 

[outhouse]

It's all about: from what is a photon made ?
Answer that and we can evolve further.

Its made in star as a result of energy conversion.

It has nothing to do with advancement of knowledge because we already know it.

 

[outhouse]

No, I never said that.
Regards

Then take your creationist rhetoric SOMEWHERE else or derail another thread.

THIS THREAD is about the earth being 6000 years old.