God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[BilliardsBall]

I spent plenty of time on the research, but it's clear that all you have done is to swallow a fairy-tale version of events that's common with narrow-thinking literalists. You have presented literally nothing to support your opinions. Nada, nyet, zip, zero, ...

Beg your pardon, I've read some amazing articles and books detailing comparisons between Gilgamesh and Genesis, etc. The problem is you are claiming some kind of Jewish renewal to spirituality while saying Torah is a fairy-tale...? Did I get that wrong? Because making God's Word merely allegory is making it... a fairy-tale, albeit one for grownups to read.

 

[BilliardsBall]

YOU mean the book I found so much value in that I went to multiple universities to study its details????????


While you remain in a position that no credible school follows or promotes.

Oh, you were a Religion major like me? Interesting... is that why you are so angry so often?

 

[BilliardsBall]

You need to actually understand the material you debate.

You mean the book that plagiarized Canaanite mythology and combined two gods into one, before another culture decided to plagiarize Judaism and redefine the god concept completely ???

No the god concept you have faith in we actually have educations in, and KNOW how the god concept was redefined and constantly evolved.

IT is also not dozens, its literally hundreds of authors many unknown.


AND not one word of yours refutes any aspect of this.

Not one thing in the world has EVER been substantiated to any deity EVER

I think you have this issue backwards. You seem to have some special knowledge that accompanies all persons who've ever lived, their private lives (many people who have God experiences keep mum), all parts of this universe, etc. because if only ONE spiritual happening is valid, your materialist worldview is invalid.

 

[BilliardsBall]

That's not an example you have ever shown any of us.

You have wallowed not stop in pseudoscience and mythology proselytizing a faith you seem to know little about and ANY academic level.

Wow, you just never stop talking about academicians and degreed scholars. I'm detecting something between bias and hero worship. I have two degrees and am enrolled now for a third, but most people who've ever lived were capable of logical, rational argumentation without being in a university.

I know rather a lot about the Bible and my faith, and academics and how they think. I've lived in a college town for almost 30 years, and have worked at a university and on the campus for much of that time. I'm sitting at my office in the university now as I write you. You are so biased and unthinking when you post. Cut it out.

 

[McBell]

being a troll is stupid

Yet here you are....

 

[metis]

Beg your pardon, I've read some amazing articles and books detailing comparisons between Gilgamesh and Genesis, etc. The problem is you are claiming some kind of Jewish renewal to spirituality while saying Torah is a fairy-tale...? Did I get that wrong? Because making God's Word merely allegory is making it... a fairy-tale, albeit one for grownups to read.

So, using your "logic", believing in the symbolism of Jesus' parables and also that which is found in "Revelations" makes your Bible a "fairy tale". "Allegory" is not the same as "fairy-tale", and it is used extensively throughout the Tanakh.

 

[gnostic]

that was a lengthy post targeting me....

being a troll is stupid

and not grasping that an event in God's life might well seem different to Him as compared to us.....

stupid

Then perhaps you should try being "honest", and not distort things, like what you read or what you learn. Your tendency to distort, exaggerate and apparent lie have made your credibility nonexistence in this thread.

And stop confusing religion or your faith with logic, with science or with fact.

If you were truly intelligent, you would know when not to write about anything you don't understand and ask question what you don't understand.

This repeated motto of yours like "Spirit, first", as if it answer everything, just demonstrate your lack of education and make apparent your religious bias to everyone.

 

[McBell]

because if only ONE spiritual happening is valid, your materialist worldview is invalid.

now that is nothing more than wishful thinking.
Unless of course you can show what a big influence it has...
Just like with god there are more claims that can be counted.
But it is not the claims that count, unless claims are all you have....

 

[Thief]

Then perhaps you should try being "honest", and not distort things, like what you read or what you learn. Your tendency to distort, exaggerate and apparent lie have made your credibility nonexistence in this thread.

And stop confusing religion or your faith with logic, with science or with fact.

If you were truly intelligent, you would know when not to write about anything you don't understand and ask question what you don't understand.

This repeated motto of yours like "Spirit, first", as if it answer everything, just demonstrate your lack of education and make apparent your religious bias to everyone.

you left out the word....interpret.....

I do understand

 

[BilliardsBall]

So, using your "logic", believing in the symbolism of Jesus' parables and also that which is found in "Revelations" makes your Bible a "fairy tale". "Allegory" is not the same as "fairy-tale", and it is used extensively throughout the Tanakh.

I don't believe Revelation is merely symbolic. It is literal. If you read both testaments, you might know that more than 65% of Revelation is direct allusion to OT verses. For example, if we want to know more about the trumpets, horses, two witnesses, etc. we can go back to the OT. If you "knock" Revelation you are knocking Tanakh. Neither you nor me wishes to do that.

 

[BilliardsBall]

now that is nothing more than wishful thinking.
Unless of course you can show what a big influence it has...
Just like with god there are more claims that can be counted.
But it is not the claims that count, unless claims are all you have....

Let me restate your objection:

1. Skeptics say nothing is spiritual
2. I say if there is even one spiritual thing, skeptics are wrong
3. You say I'm offering wishful thinking rather than Boolean logic

 

[McBell]

Let me restate your objection:

1. Skeptics say nothing is spiritual
2. I say if there is even one spiritual thing, skeptics are wrong
3. You say I'm offering wishful thinking rather than Boolean logic

Misrepresenting my objection does not help you.

One verifiable spiritual account doe snot make any, let alone all, the other claims true.
Nor would it make materialism invalid.
Every single claimed spiritual account being true would still not invalidate materialism.
Thus it is wishful thinking.

 

[metis]

I don't believe Revelation is merely symbolic. It is literal. If you read both testaments, you might know that more than 65% of Revelation is direct allusion to OT verses. For example, if we want to know more about the trumpets, horses, two witnesses, etc. we can go back to the OT. If you "knock" Revelation you are knocking Tanakh. Neither you nor me wishes to do that.

You've got to be kidding me. You seriously believe that?

OK, here are some verses:

1[20]As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
4[7] the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like a flying eagle.
[8] And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all round and within, and day and night they never cease to sing, "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty,
who was and is and is to come!"
[13] And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all therein, saying, "To him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might for ever and ever!"
[14] And the four living creatures said, "Amen!" and the elders fell down and worshiped.

11[5] And if any one would harm them, fire pours out from their mouth and consumes their foes; if any one would harm them, thus he is doomed to be killed.
[6] They have power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.
[7] And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them,

12[13]And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child.
[14] But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.
[15] The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood.
[16] But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth.
[17] Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

[1]And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads.
[2] And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.
[3] One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth followed the beast with wonder.
[4] Men worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?"
[5]And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months;

So, you say that none of this is symbolic, eh?

Also, kindly point out where this 65% figure of Revelations referring back to the Tanakh comes from. Try the short list above, for example.

 

[gnostic]

I don't believe Revelation is merely symbolic. It is literal. If you read both testaments, you might know that more than 65% of Revelation is direct allusion to OT verses. For example, if we want to know more about the trumpets, horses, two witnesses, etc. we can go back to the OT. If you "knock" Revelation you are knocking Tanakh. Neither you nor me wishes to do that.

You've got to be kidding me. You seriously believe that?

BilliardsBall has just shown (again) that he is not able to distinguish allegorical and symbolic texts, metis.

Only a literalist would consider Revelation, or even half of it, to be "literal". And 65% of Revelation being "literal" is being over-generous.

 

[leibowde84]

but are you of the same frame of mind?
(and you know that's what I meant)

can't see the difference?
your hours of the morning.....compared to the eons of God's morning

What evidence can you provide that they were using an alternative meaning? Apart from it not making sense otherwise, of course, as that is nothing more than a convenient cop out.

 

[Thief]

What evidence can you provide that they were using an alternative meaning? Apart from it not making sense otherwise, of course, as that is nothing more than a convenient cop out.

application of one's thought processes should do the trick.....

but then again.....none soooooo blind as those who will not see

 

[Thief]

Then perhaps you should try being "honest", and not distort things, like what you read or what you learn. Your tendency to distort, exaggerate and apparent lie have made your credibility nonexistence in this thread.

And stop confusing religion or your faith with logic, with science or with fact.

If you were truly intelligent, you would know when not to write about anything you don't understand and ask question what you don't understand.

This repeated motto of yours like "Spirit, first", as if it answer everything, just demonstrate your lack of education and make apparent your religious bias to everyone.

let's see....4.3 grade average.....college level included....
Mensa test....125....
long list of skills and practical applications.....

and I LOVE science.....grew up doing so.....

and....Spirit First!

 

[jeager106]

3.7 grad point average going to college FULL time & working FULL time
while RAISING 3 kids FULL time and doing home and family chores.
Yeah, I get it! I appreciate your skills and I.Q.
I'm supposed to be in the 125-130 range.
I.Q. means little without the WORK behind it.
I thought a 4.0 was as high a g.p.a. as could be earned?

 

[Thief]

3.7 grad point average going to college FULL time & working FULL time
while RAISING 3 kids FULL time and doing home and family chores.
Yeah, I get it! I appreciate your skills and I.Q.
I'm supposed to be in the 125-130 range.
I.Q. means little without the WORK behind it.
I thought a 4.0 was as high a g.p.a. as could be earned?

oh yeah.....I'm a little older than most here.....
that was the old scale I was referring to.....
3.7 new scale

 

[leibowde84]

application of one's thought processes should do the trick.....

but then again.....none soooooo blind as those who will not see

So, you are just going by your own notion of what makes sense to you personally, rather than going by the evidence or giving deference to those respected experts who have dedicated their professional lives to studying such things?