God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[leibowde84]

let's see....4.3 grade average.....college level included....
Mensa test....125....
long list of skills and practical applications.....

and I LOVE science.....grew up doing so.....

and....Spirit First!

Why would your grades or test score be relevant here?

 

[Thief]

Why would your grades or test score be relevant here?

someone did cast doubt in my direction....
perhaps you could educate that other fellow about what is relevant?

 

[gnostic]

It's 1 in a morning, but it is stil 30 degrees C!

Laying on my bed is hot and stifling.

 

[`mud]

104 in the middle of the day,
wow....sweat with me...it's 69 here!
~
I had a 151 IQ but lost some of it,
stroke you know.......what's the OP ?
Who really cares, we'll never live long enough anyway.
6 grand and counting !
Silliness abounds !
~
'mud

 

[Ouroboros]

let's see....4.3 grade average.....college level included....

Is that 4.3 out of max 5?

My college doesn't give higher than 4.0. That's max. I have a 4.0 GPA in that system. Straight A. And been member and even officer of honors associations (liaison and secretary). I had a cool jacket but lost it.

Mensa test....125....

I did mine many years ago, and it was something around 145. One of my sons scored 147 (he's doing a double major at Cal, i.e. Berkeley). My brother 146. One of my other sons works for JPL currently (you know, rocket science). It's only temporary, but whatever.

125, that's the lowest I know of in my circle of friends and families. I think our neighbors 10 year old daughter is 125, but her brother is really high up there. One of our neighbors' son finished college at 16 and is working for Google on some super-secret project.

Myself, I'm a project specialist under science grant from the government. I was asked to work on this grant and I refused at first, but they couldn't find anyone else.

So... what does anything of that really matter?

long list of skills and practical applications.....

Same here. I singlehandedly installed a server rack for one of a large multinational company's factories (2-300 employees) and met with one of the inventors of the MIDI format. And I've worked for other governments and consulted and been a teacher and written my own bootstrap routine for an OS and on and on...

and I LOVE science.....grew up doing so.....

Me too. Currently I'm taking an astronomy class at college with one of my kids. Have done this with all my kids, i.e. taking classes with them, science, math, philosophy, sociology, psychology, anthropology, ...

So what? Is it a pissing contest? Whoever got the biggest thing wins the argument? Whoever with the highest IQ must be right? No. Sorry, but that's not how it works.

and....Spirit First!

And you only see half the picture...

Personally, I think it's stupid to battle out IQ and education. What counts is your thoughts, ideas, claims, and reasoning, nothing else. Many times smart people can be lurking in places you think only have idiots, and reversed is also true. Sometimes smart people can be the dumbest people you've met. I have a lot of experience of this. I don't count IQ or degree very highly for a debate. It's what people say, and how they say it that counts.

 

[Ouroboros]

I had a 151 IQ but lost some of it,

LOL! Same here. It's all the beer in my case.

 

[Thief]

Is that 4.3 out of max 5?

My college doesn't give higher than 4.0. That's max. I have a 4.0 GPA in that system. Straight A. And been member and even officer of honors associations (liaison and secretary). I had a cool jacket but lost it.


I did mine many years ago, and it was something around 145. One of my sons scored 147 (he's doing a double major at Cal, i.e. Berkeley). My brother 146. One of my other sons works for JPL currently (you know, rocket science). It's only temporary, but whatever.

125, that's the lowest I know of in my circle of friends and families. I think our neighbors 10 year old daughter is 125, but her brother is really high up there. One of our neighbors' son finished college at 16 and is working for Google on some super-secret project.

Myself, I'm a project specialist under science grant from the government. I was asked to work on this grant and I refused at first, but they couldn't find anyone else.

So... what does anything of that really matter?


Same here. I singlehandedly installed a server rack for one of a large multinational company's factories (2-300 employees) and met with one of the inventors of the MIDI format. And I've worked for other governments and consulted and been a teacher and written my own bootstrap routine for an OS and on and on...


Me too. Currently I'm taking an astronomy class at college with one of my kids. Have done this with all my kids, i.e. taking classes with them, science, math, philosophy, sociology, psychology, anthropology, ...

So what? Is it a pissing contest? Whoever got the biggest thing wins the argument? Whoever with the highest IQ must be right? No. Sorry, but that's not how it works.


And you only see half the picture...

Personally, I think it's stupid to battle out IQ and education. What counts is your thoughts, ideas, claims, and reasoning, nothing else. Many times smart people can be lurking in places you think only have idiots, and reversed is also true. Sometimes smart people can be the dumbest people you've met. I have a lot of experience of this. I don't count IQ or degree very highly for a debate. It's what people say, and how they say it that counts.

you last paragraph starts well enough....
I think it's foolish to claim there is not God ...with all that is exists around us

and to stand before God and heaven with a lifetime of denial dealt.......
oooops

 

[Thief]

104 in the middle of the day,
wow....sweat with me...it's 69 here!
~
I had a 151 IQ but lost some of it,
stroke you know.......what's the OP ?
Who really cares, we'll never live long enough anyway.
6 grand and counting !
Silliness abounds !
~
'mud

yeah...someone tossed doubt in my direction....
such foolishness!!!!

but I think we keep what we have learned after the last breath
not much point in generating a learning device....
only to have the results crumble into dust

 

[gnostic]

yeah...someone tossed doubt in my direction....

Yeah, that would be me...but with good cause.

You say that you like science, and yet you can't seem to grasp something like scientific "theory", like scientific evidences (empirical evidences that can be tested, verified and even refuted), like facts.

I often come across your posts, in which you don't seem to understand the concepts of those words used in scientific contexts.

For instance, you frequently use the phrase "cause and effect", but YOUR VERSION of cause-and-effect don't require scientific verification (meaning testable evidences), so your cause-and-effect don't have anything to do with science.

For your cause-and-effect, the CAUSE (eg God, Creator, Spirit) needs EVIDENCES, like the evidences for existence of God or spirit. Without the evidences, then it is simply unsubstantiated wishful thinking, a lie or a delusion.

Like, cause-and-effect, theory required evidences to be accepted. And like theory, fact can only be determined and verified by evidences.

If you understood science, then you would spent so much time on misinformation about what a theory is in science.

Science required a lot of evidences to be accepted as true. Without those evidences, it is unverified, and more than likely to be untrue.

So when you understand the concepts of facts, evidences, theory, hypothesis, in science, it really doesn't matter grades or IQ score mean, you don't understand science. One thing I am certain, you are no scientist.

 

[Ouroboros]

you last paragraph starts well enough....
I think it's foolish to claim there is not God ...with all that is exists around us

I didn't. I just don't make the same claims about God as you do.

and to stand before God and heaven with a lifetime of denial dealt.......
oooops

30 years as a Christian here. How is that a lifetime of denial? I was christain, then atheist
, then pantheist. That's not a lifetime of denial.

I smell arrogant ignorance here.

 

[Thief]

I didn't. I just don't make the same claims about God as you do.


30 years as a Christian here. How is that a lifetime of denial? I was christain, then atheist
, then pantheist. That's not a lifetime of denial.

I smell arrogant ignorance here.

you're there.....

I am somewhere else.

and of course....throwing doubt my way won't work

 

[Ouroboros]

you're there.....

I am somewhere else.

and of course....throwing doubt my way won't work

Who's in a lifelong denial then?

 

[BilliardsBall]

You've got to be kidding me. You seriously believe that?

OK, here are some verses:

1[20]As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
4[7] the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like a flying eagle.
[8] And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all round and within, and day and night they never cease to sing, "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty,
who was and is and is to come!"
[13] And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all therein, saying, "To him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might for ever and ever!"
[14] And the four living creatures said, "Amen!" and the elders fell down and worshiped.

11[5] And if any one would harm them, fire pours out from their mouth and consumes their foes; if any one would harm them, thus he is doomed to be killed.
[6] They have power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.
[7] And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them,

12[13]And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child.
[14] But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.
[15] The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood.
[16] But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth.
[17] Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

[1]And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads.
[2] And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.
[3] One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth followed the beast with wonder.
[4] Men worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?"
[5]And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months;

So, you say that none of this is symbolic, eh?

Also, kindly point out where this 65% figure of Revelations referring back to the Tanakh comes from. Try the short list above, for example.

Much of the above occurs in Heaven, but you have a fairly limited view. As a Jewish believer, is this literal or symbolic?

Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the River Chebar, that the heavens were opened and I saw visionsa]'> of God. 2 On the fifth day of the month, which was in the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s captivity, 3 the word of the Lord came expressly to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeansb]'> by the River Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was upon him there.

4 Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire. 5 Also from within it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man. 6 Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings. 7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves’ feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. 8 The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. 9 Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward.

10 As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle. 11 Thus were their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two wings of each one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. 12 And each one went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and they did not turn when they went.

13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches going back and forth among the living creatures. The fire was bright, and out of the fire went lightning. 14 And the living creatures ran back and forth, in appearance like a flash of lightning.

15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel was on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings was like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings was, as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. 18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them. 19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creaturesc]'> was in the wheels. 21 When those went, these went; when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with them, for the spirit of the living creaturesd]'> was in the wheels.

22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creaturese]'> was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings spread out straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. 24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 A voice came from above the firmament that was over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.

26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.

So when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking.

 

[BilliardsBall]

BilliardsBall has just shown (again) that he is not able to distinguish allegorical and symbolic texts, metis.

Only a literalist would consider Revelation, or even half of it, to be "literal". And 65% of Revelation being "literal" is being over-generous.

I've never claimed to be anything but a literalist/Biblicist/fundamentalist. What percentage of Revelation has come to pass, literally, beyond the first three chapters? None. Prophecy can be figurative or literal.

 

[metis]

Much of the above occurs in Heaven, but you have a fairly limited view.

And exactly how could you possibly know that? been there?

 

[metis]

Prophecy can be figurative or literal.

And let me suggest that "figurative" can also be viewed to be true about how to interpret the creation accounts.

 

[leibowde84]

you last paragraph starts well enough....
I think it's foolish to claim there is not God ...with all that is exists around us

and to stand before God and heaven with a lifetime of denial dealt.......
oooops

If he doesn't believe in God, it would be absurd for him to fear judgment from God in any way. So, your comment about standing before God seems irrelevant.

 

[Thief]

If he doesn't believe in God, it would be absurd for him to fear judgment from God in any way. So, your comment about standing before God seems irrelevant.

only to you and the other guy

 

[leibowde84]

only to you and the other guy

No, according to simple logic. If he doesn't believe that God exists, he would not fear standing before God. Simple as that.

 

[`mud]

Along with all the trumpet blaring !
~
'mud