God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[BilliardsBall]

Tools:
olduvai axe tools, around 1,000,000-1,500,000 years old (yes, that's million years).
spears, clothes, ornaments, have been found that are hundreds of thousands of years.

Documents: look into cave paintings and jewelry.

Language, society, agronomy, well, ask yourself, why did it take 10,000 years from that point before we started the electronic revolution, or technology, or science? It's because it's not a linear progression, but exponential. Information doubled between 1 AD to 1700 AD, about. Then it doubled in a couple of hundred years. Then it doubled less than hundred years. Now it's doubling every 18 months. It's spread and acceptance of new knowledge that affects this. It took a 3 million years for Australopithecus to evolve to Homo, and further to Homo sapiens, and H.s. had to exist for a few hundred years before knowledge had grown enough for societies to come about. And perhaps it had to do with changing climate too. But a flood would zero out knowledge, reset it, and destroy previous knowledge, so a flood is the worst explanation to why tools, documents, languages, society, and agronomy began and exploded. Did the flood somehow suddenly give them superpowers and superknowledge? A family of handful of people somehow started a society, city, training horses, domesticating cows, dogs, figure out all different kinds of seeds... it's the least probable explanation for the explosion of society and knowledge. Sorry.

(You know, Internet came about when Earth was hit by a meteor in the 80's and all life on Earth was destroyed except for a family of 12 who survived in a space ship that went to the moon. (!))

I agree, 100%. But the family of Noah existed in pre-history and would know all these things. Indeed, the Bible says Noah cultivated wine following the Flood.

Also, you are ducking the obvious, which would be consistent with my story. The new society following the Flood had aid from the divine. I think THAT is what you find improbable.

 

[Ouroboros]

I agree, 100%. But the family of Noah existed in pre-history and would know all these things. Indeed, the Bible says Noah cultivated wine following the Flood.

Directly after? Like within a year or so?

Also, you are ducking the obvious, which would be consistent with my story. The new society following the Flood had aid from the divine. I think THAT is what you find improbable.

...

With magic, anything can be explained. Using the divine argument, I can claim the flood happened yesterday, and God just wiped away the memories of it from our minds. He also restored all things. Actually, he magically put everyone in a matchbox, by using the divine shrink-ray, and had us all in his pocket, and then crunched Earth to a tennisball and threw into the Andromeda galaxy. Then he created a new Earth, and put everything back exactly where it was before, and then un-shrunk us. There. Do you find THAT improbable? You shouldn't.

 

[Ouroboros]

Here's what I don't understand. If magic is used to explain the flood event, there's no reason to try to find support for the flood in claims that we didn't have tools or societies before 5,000 years ago. Not even the year matters. The flood could then have happened with or without any kind of evidence at all, and at any time, since it was all magic anyway. In fact, since God wiped away all evidence for the flood, then why did society explode afterwards? Was that the purpose? To hint at a flood by creating a society through a flood where all evidence of it was taken away? Why not just magically make societies appear? It's so much easier. And since the flood evidence was removed magically, the intent was obviously not to scare future generations with God's power, but only to kick-start a few people into a new world. Why even use water? Why a flood at all? With magic, God could've just wiped all life out, in 1 second blank. Waved his hand, and all life that was evil would have fallen to the ground, dead, and then dematerialized. Gone from existence completely. That would have put some respect in Noah's family for sure. And the animals, ark, flood, rain, water, yada, yada, was totally unnecessary.

 

[Ouroboros]

I'm suggesting that before 3000 BCE is educated guesswork, as long as uniformitarian assumptions (including the fact that there couldn't possibly have been recent climatic INTENSE changes) are also held to, because before 3000 BCE there is no documentary evidence of... society.

Of course there wasn't any documentary evidence of society before 3,000 BCE of a society. God magically removed all that evidence.

 

[Ouroboros]

You might want to research the infancy of C14 dating.

Does it matter? God is magically controlling the C14 half-life decay to make the dating look like something that it isn't.

 

[`mud]

Good posts Ouroboros,
Abra-kadabra.....no more people....
now for a little more sand....and a deep breath !
Love it !
~
'mud

 

[Ouroboros]

Good posts Ouroboros,
Abra-kadabra.....no more people....
now for a little more sand....and a deep breath !
Love it !
~
'mud

LOL!

Yup.

In actuality, this is a secret, don't tell anyone, m'kay. But there's been a universe wide flood every five minutes since the beginning of creation which was 2 weeks ago. God just keep on reseting our memories each time to make us believe it didn't happen. Why does he do it? Because there are some evil guys somewhere that he's trying to get rid of. And they keep on coming back each time. Something is wrong with his flooding methodology, but God has to do what a god has to do, and it's to wipe out innocent people over and over again, and reminding them how powerful he is, then then wiping their minds right after. God works in mysterious ways...

 

[`mud]

 

[viole]

I believe that the biblical story of creation doesn't describe God's original creation of Earth, but it actually describes the recreation of the Earth 6,000 years ago by God for the benefit of newly formed life who would have souls such as Adam, Eve and their descendants. I believe that according to the first few verses of Holy scripture in the book of Genesis, the Earth already had existed with water during the first day of its recreation. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" - (Genesis 1:1-2)

I believe there was an older version of Earth that God had destroyed with a cloud of darkness and water, so that He could recreate the Earth with the right conditions for us humans who have souls. I think the first chapter of Genesis is widely misinterpreted as a narrative about the creation of Earth; whereas, it should be correctly interpreted as a narrative about the recreation of the Earth with more favorable conditions for human souls to exist. Does anybody else agree that the first few verses in the book of Genesis have been widely misinterpreted as a creation narrative; whereas, it should be correctly interpreted as a recreation narrative?

A reboot is always good. Although, it rhymes better in German.

Ciao

- viole

 

[outhouse]

I agree, 100%.

No you don't. You just made up a bunch points that argued against what you agreed on.

 

[outhouse]

But the family of Noah existed in pre-history

What time period is that?


Where is the evidence?



No time period, it never happend

 

[outhouse]

But clearly you don't want to hear any arguments

You don't have arguments.

Those would require evidence and knowledge, and that is something you completely avoid.

 

[WirePaladin]

Can we agree on something for the sake of harmony? It's called "pre-history" before circa 5,000 BP because there are no documents, and only very widely debated dating of marginal items. I believe Noah's Flood occurred circa 5,000 BP, and find it more than coincidence that modern man, supposed to have been on the scene circa 100,000 years, failed to develop anything we'd REALLY call tools, documents, languages, society, agronomy, etc. until suddenly, explosively, circa 5,000 BP. That's all. Your choice to interpret this statement as consistent with Flood lore or no.

This is a god example of "willful ignorance.' Human artifacts language, culture, art are more than 50K years. old.
ONE example Lascaux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An example so widely quoted, displayed, recorded in HIGH SCHOOL text books that ignorance of it is willful.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Regretfully, we are back to where we were before, you mixing ad populum arguments with appeals to emotion.

What are my ad populum arguments? I've submitted very clear and precise evidences of things that quite obviously existed prior to your supposed flood timeline and continued through it. I've made no appeals to emotion at all. Quote me if you feel otherwise and I'll correct you.

I'm aware that prior to 5,000 BP, we MUST employ radiometric dating and make assumptions (proximity of relics to geologic strata, etc.) to date them. You, I believe, but I'm not sure, since you've never responded to my statements in this matter, are also aware that human documents do not exist prior to 3000 BC.

Yeah, there was no "paper" documentation prior to 3100 BCE. My whole point is so what? If people wrote on tree bark, mud brick, stone tablet, or turtle shell, what does it matter? There was writing before your supposed flood point. Even the earliest dates that you want to agree on are supported by radiometric dating, not by someone writing their name and date at the top of a piece of papyrus... So again, the point is, so what if papyrus didn't exist prior to 3100 BCE. There's plenty of evidence for other forms of writing prior to that, per my previous post.

But clearly you don't want to hear any arguments made regarding issues with radiometric dating, because it would bother you personally to feel like archaeologists are wrong. I would be happy to discuss this with you if you will do so logically and be willing to follow truth to whatever end.

This is a debate man. Just type away. You can submit any and all objections that you have to radiometric dating and I'll address them.
I can almost assure you, however, that there is nothing that you can possibly bring up that hasn't either been addressed before or that isn't already known by those who actually use the dating methods that your bias will cause you to want to criticize.

The very reason that multiple dating methods are used for each piece before a date is applied to an object or artifact comes from the very knowledge of failures and shortcomings within each method.

I agree, 100%.

With what? You're responding to here to Ouroboros about stone tools and clothing being millions of years old... How can you agree with those ages and simultaneously attempt to discredit radiometric and geologic dating?

But the family of Noah existed in pre-history and would know all these things. Indeed, the Bible says Noah cultivated wine following the Flood.

Did they, now? And where is your evidence for them? Outside of a religious text that is not supported to have been written any earlier than 1200 BCE, where if your evidence that Noah and his family were factual historical people who lived in a boat and sailed around the planet with all the animals on board for back in 5,000 BCE?

Also, you are ducking the obvious, which would be consistent with my story. The new society following the Flood had aid from the divine. I think THAT is what you find improbable.

Again, how do you substantiate this claim other than simply asserting that it's fact?
Any documentation with Noah's name on it?
Any type of letter or coinage with God's face?
If your standard for discrediting my very reasonable assertion that the academic timeline of human history is correct stems from the argument that there are no documents prior to 3100 BCE, then why do you limit your criticism when it comes to your own fantastic claims?

Selective reasoning is the bane of academic research. It's the most self-evident expression of bias, and it's a flaw in logical fallacy.
Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jonathan180iq]

In actuality, this is a secret, don't tell anyone, m'kay. But there's been a universe wide flood every five minutes since the beginning of creation which was 2 weeks ago. God just keep on reseting our memories each time to make us believe it didn't happen. Why does he do it? Because there are some evil guys somewhere that he's trying to get rid of. And they keep on coming back each time. Something is wrong with his flooding methodology, but God has to do what a god has to do, and it's to wipe out innocent people over and over again, and reminding them how powerful he is, then then wiping their minds right after. God works in mysterious ways...

It's called Last Thursdayism...

What time period is that?

Well, now that he's admitted that the Flood must have happened in 5,000 BCE, and since the Bible says that Noah was 600 years old when the flood waters came, it's safe to assume that Noah was born in roughly 5,600 BCE... You know, back when the world was full of metal tools, dinosaurs, and animals that spoke audible human language.

 

[outhouse]

. I've made no appeals to emotion at all.

Agreed.

Some people have no idea what the definition of HONESTY is.

honesty, honor, integrity, probity mean uprightness of character or action. honesty implies a refusal to lie, steal, or deceive in any way. honor suggests an active or anxious regard for the standards of one's profession, calling, or position. integrity implies trustworthiness and incorruptibility to a degree that one is incapable of being false to a trust, responsibility, or pledge. probity implies tried and proven honesty or integrity.



Some are forced away from honesty to protect what they have no evidence for.


Sad really people today hate academia so much.

 

[WirePaladin]

Most of these "believers" have no concept of intellectual honesty. Read their stuff. Proof enough.

 

[outhouse]

Most of these "believers" have no concept of intellectual honesty. Read their stuff. Proof enough.

Im not even sure its just intellectual honesty. Its way beyond that for some.

 

[Ouroboros]

It's called Last Thursdayism...

And tomorrow, it'll happen again.

Well, now that he's admitted that the Flood must have happened in 5,000 BCE, and since the Bible says that Noah was 600 years old when the flood waters came, it's safe to assume that Noah was born in roughly 5,600 BCE... You know, back when the world was full of metal tools, dinosaurs, and animals that spoke audible human language.

I knew Flintstones was a documentary! I knew it!

 

[outhouse]

Prehistoric skull with puncture wounds could be world's first murder mystery

Scientists have pieced together the world’s earliest murder mystery, showing that an ancient human appears to have met their end after being bludgeoned to death and thrown down a cave shaft.

The skull, which has two holes above the left eye, belonged to an early human closely related to Neanderthals who lived around 430,000 years ago. The discovery suggests that violence and murder long predate the emergence of modern humans, around 200,000 years ago.