God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[jonathan180iq]

there's a LOT of science in Chapter Two of Genesis.

petri dish surroundings....
chosen specimen....
anesthesia, surgery, cloning, genetic manipulation....

Adam was given his twin sister for a bride.
Eve was not born of woman....no navel

 

[outhouse]

There is also the Gobekli Tepe site which is dated as far back as 9000-8000 BCE.

13,500 in its oldest parts not dug yet.

The parts that have been excavated are as you stated

 

[gnostic]

I often hear skeptics say what you've stated, that we cannot find peer-reviewed citations proving metaphysical things. Do you have peer-reviewed citations disproving metaphysics? Disproving God? You do not.

Oh, please.

This is why I hate people who would only use one philosophy, as if that one philosophy can also answer all questions.

You are forgetting that metaphysics also deal with reality, not just with being and existence. To put it simply, metaphysics try to answer the the question of "existence" or "being" in "reality".

A cow is a being and that being exist in reality. It is a creature that you can see.

Sure, there are something you don't see.

Electricity exist in reality, but often you can see electricity until you touch an object, like exposed live wire, and get shock or electrocuted.

A lot of spectrum in electromagnetism can not be seen, but we know that it exist in reality. Take for example, radio wave or radio frequency. Physicists understand that radio waves exist, and create devices, like radio, TV, wireless network devices, Bluetooth devices, etc.

As to a deity and spirit, we cannot know that these exist in reality, so metaphysically they (gods and spirits) don't exist beyond personal belief, imagination or delusion. A god don't exist beyond the ink and paper, beyond paint and canvas, and beyond marble and bronze (sculptures). We can represent them (gods) in some ways, through writings, drawings, paintings or sculptures, but all of these only come from man's imagination, and not in reality.

This is why gods and spirits fall under supernatural, not in reality, and certainly not metaphysically.

 

[gnostic]

There is also the Gobekli Tepe site which is dated as far back as 9000-8000 BCE.

Jericho and Damascus have been around for that long too.

In Jericho, as many as 70 dwellings have being found, hence already a modest town, as early as 9400 BCE. Each dwelling was circular (plan) in construction, and the use of mud-bricks (made from clay and straw) were known to be used around this time.

And that not even the most amazing thing about this pre-pottery Neolithic people. Stone wall under 4 metres high were discovered, possibly surrounding this small town.

So I find it utter nonsense that thief and billiardsball here think man have only ground for 6000 years (4000 BCE).

The city of Uruk, which some translations of the bible, called it Erech in Genesis 10, supposedly built by Nimrod, great grandson of Noah, after the Flood. But Uruk predated the Sumerian civilisation by 3000 earlier (Sumerian civilisation began in 3100 BCE), but it truly flourished during 4th millennium BCE (known as Uruk period, 4000 to 3200 BCE). The earliest temples were constructed in two districts of Uruk, about 3500 BCE - Enanna district and Anu district. These two temple districts were dedicated to the goddess Inanna (Babylonian Ishtar) and An (Babylonian Anu), respectively.

If a global flood had occurred, then these two deities should have cease to exist, replace by new new culture in the post flood era, and yet these two gods, not only predated the Sumerian civilisation, but continued to be worshipped as late 1st century CE.

Similarly, in Egypt, the Neolithic predynastic culture (3400 - 3100 BCE) predated the Bronze Age Egyptian culture, (beginning around 3100 BCE) and yet the art work of early dynastic period (dynasties 1 & 2) were culturally or artistically the same as the late predynastic culture. And the dynastic Egypt began when a ruler united Upper Egypt with Lower Egypt, around 3100 BCE. And pyramid building began in the 3rd dynasty.

Any flood of the magnitude (a global flood) that Genesis and some Christian believers (particularly creationists) claimed, then that should have wiped out civilisations, like from Sumer and Egypt, at exactly same time, and yet neither cultures were replace by new ones.

Because this break in culture never occurred, then any belief in Noah flood is clearly false.

But the question is when creationists, like thief or billiardsball, believe this global Flood had occurred?

The Flood couldn't occur in the Neolithic period, because that would throw all the years in the Old Testament into chaos, and push fall of Jerusalem in 586 BCE and Jesus' ministry back into the Bronze Age, where Nebuchadnezzar II, Herod and Augustus didn't exist.

 

[Thief]

Mythology is not science.

AND YOU have no credible opinion here. PROVIDE CREDIBLE SOURCES or you will be reported for proselytizing

I can quote scripture if I care to.

 

[Thief]

Actually a whole lot of people are sure that the Chinese have been a continues culture for a bit more than 6000 years. As the "cradle of life" in Africa, as you put it, is much much earlier, that is in reference to humankinds (not modern man mind you). That is dated to around 2.3 million years ago

There you go....you're getting it.

Man as a species...Chapter One of Genesis.
male and female, go forth be fruitful and multiply.
No names, no law, no garden.

THEN, Chapter Two.
a story of manipulation.

 

[outhouse]

I can quote scripture if I care to.

What part of AND YOU have no credible opinion here. PROVIDE CREDIBLE SOURCES don't you understand?

 

[Shad]

Jericho and Damascus have been around for that long too.

In Jericho, as many as 70 dwellings have being found, hence already a modest town, as early as 9400 BCE. Each dwelling was circular (plan) in construction, and the use of mud-bricks (made from clay and straw) were known to be used around this time.

And that not even the most amazing thing about this pre-pottery Neolithic people. Stone wall under 4 metres high were discovered, possibly surrounding this small town.

So I find it utter nonsense that thief and billiardsball here think man have only ground for 6000 years (4000 BCE).

The city of Uruk, which some translations of the bible, called it Erech in Genesis 10, supposedly built by Nimrod, great grandson of Noah, after the Flood. But Uruk predated the Sumerian civilisation by 3000 earlier (Sumerian civilisation began in 3100 BCE), but it truly flourished during 4th millennium BCE (known as Uruk period, 4000 to 3200 BCE). The earliest temples were constructed in two districts of Uruk, about 3500 BCE - Enanna district and Anu district. These two temple districts were dedicated to the goddess Inanna (Babylonian Ishtar) and An (Babylonian Anu), respectively.

If a global flood had occurred, then these two deities should have cease to exist, replace by new new culture in the post flood era, and yet these two gods, not only predated the Sumerian civilisation, but continued to be worshipped as late 1st century CE.

Similarly, in Egypt, the Neolithic predynastic culture (3400 - 3100 BCE) predated the Bronze Age Egyptian culture, (beginning around 3100 BCE) and yet the art work of early dynastic period (dynasties 1 & 2) were culturally or artistically the same as the late predynastic culture. And the dynastic Egypt began when a ruler united Upper Egypt with Lower Egypt, around 3100 BCE. And pyramid building began in the 3rd dynasty.

Any flood of the magnitude (a global flood) that Genesis and some Christian believers (particularly creationists) claimed, then that should have wiped out civilisations, like from Sumer and Egypt, at exactly same time, and yet neither cultures were replace by new ones.

Because this break in culture never occurred, then any belief in Noah flood is clearly false.

But the question is when creationists, like thief or billiardsball, believe this global Flood had occurred?

The Flood couldn't occur in the Neolithic period, because that would throw all the years in the Old Testament into chaos, and push fall of Jerusalem in 586 BCE and Jesus' ministry back into the Bronze Age, where Nebuchadnezzar II, Herod and Augustus didn't exist.

There are also sites in China dating back 10,000 years. There are sites in the "New World" dating back between 12-15,000 years. There is also the possibility of sites that could be as much as 20,0000 years old.

It really comes down to being indoctrinated in a fundamentalist view which becomes an ideology one must defend with tooth and nail against various fields like anthropology and archaeology

 

[Shad]

13,500 in its oldest parts not dug yet.

The parts that have been excavated are as you stated

True, its only on layer 4 at this time.

 

[Wu Wei]

There you go....you're getting it.

Man as a species...Chapter One of Genesis.
male and female, go forth be fruitful and multiply.
No names, no law, no garden.

THEN, Chapter Two.
a story of manipulation.

Hold your horses there big guy.

You just went in a circle with this. You posted this in response to a 6000 year reboot

Has anyone attempted to rephrase the op?

God recreated Man.....6,000yrs ago

So we went into a circle that neither explained or support anything in reference to the 6000 year reboot and we are right back to my post

So he created the Chinese then..... they have the longest continuous culture on the planet that is verified to a little more than 6000 years

So what part of Chapter Two of Genesis talks about Zhōngguó (China), Zhōngguó rén (Chinese people) and Huángdì (The Yellow Emperor)

Did God then manipulate man 6000 years ago and come up with the Chinese? Because that is where we were and are again.

 

[outhouse]

Hows does creation mythology stack up to these newly found facts un human lineage????

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-african-cave/ar-AAe8sRT?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=iehp


New Species in Human Lineage Is Found in a South African Cave


Homo naledi.


1,550 fossil elements documenting the discovery constituted the largest sample for any hominin species in a single African site, and one of the largest anywhere in the world.


“With almost every bone in the body represented multiple times, Homo naledi is already practically the best-known fossil member of our lineage,”


Some of its primitive anatomy, like a brain no larger than an average orange, Dr. Berger said, indicated that the species evolved near or at the root of the Homo genus, meaning it must be in excess of 2.5 million to 2.8 million years old

 

[Thief]

Hold your horses there big guy.

You just went in a circle with this. You posted this in response to a 6000 year reboot



So we went into a circle that neither explained or support anything in reference to the 6000 year reboot and we are right back to my post




So what part of Chapter Two of Genesis talks about Zhōngguó (China), Zhōngguó rén (Chinese people) and Huángdì (The Yellow Emperor)

Did God then manipulate man 6000 years ago and come up with the Chinese? Because that is where we were and are again.

ooooohhhh......you prefer the Chinese in the lead....

I don't mind.
and if you prefer a Chinese name rather than Adam....I don't mind that either.

But someone had to be first to walk with God.
you can label and post any detail as you please.....but it will remain.
someone had to be first to walk with God.

I've been working with Genesis and feel comfy with that list of details.

If you have a similar rendition.....please translate it here.
I don't speak or read Chinese.

 

[Thief]

What part of AND YOU have no credible opinion here. PROVIDE CREDIBLE SOURCES don't you understand?

I understand your request.
it is denied.

Faith needs no proving.....see Webster's

 

[Wu Wei]

ooooohhhh......you prefer the Chinese in the lead....

I don't mind.
and if you prefer a Chinese name rather than Adam....I don't mind that either.

But someone had to be first to walk with God.
you can label and post any detail as you please.....but it will remain.
someone had to be first to walk with God.

I've been working with Genesis and feel comfy with that list of details.

If you have a similar rendition.....please translate it here.
I don't speak or read Chinese.

No, don't prefer the Chinese in this it is just a point of discussion that seems ot fly in the face of the reboot that happened 6000 years ago that you mentioned

well science would have you believe the 'cradle' of life was somewhere in Africa.
not sure of that....and I don't think anyone is.

bits you threw in that really had nothng to do with the 6000 year reboot and my post that was using historically verifiable 6000 year contiguous Chinese cultural groups. That is why I chose the Chinese, it is historically verifiable. It was not due to any personal preference.


You do seem to be avoiding a direct answer and prefer a bit of misdirection with a tiny bit of condescension thrown in for good measure, and that is ok if that is what you are comfortable with...but lets try this and see where this goes.....Where in Genesis does it talk of Gods reboot of Humans that kicked out Neanderthals because they were not walking with God? and which of the Homo sapiens was Adam?

You see, archiologically speaking, there is no other group on the planet that you could be referring to as being rebooted.... so in that case it appears God did not like Neanderthals

 

[Thief]

No, don't prefer the Chinese in this it is just a point of discussion that seems ot fly in the face of the reboot that happened 6000 years ago that you mentioned



bits you threw in that really had nothng to do with the 6000 year reboot and my post that was using historically verifiable 6000 year contiguous Chinese cultural groups. That is why I chose the Chinese, it is historically verifiable. It was not due to any personal preference.


You do seem to be avoiding a direct answer and prefer a bit of misdirection with a tiny bit of condescension thrown in for good measure, and that is ok if that is what you are comfortable with...but lets try this and see where this goes.....Where in Genesis does it talk of Gods reboot of Humans that kicked out Neanderthals because they were not walking with God? and which of the Homo sapiens was Adam?

You see, archiologically speaking, there is no other group on the planet that you could be referring to as being rebooted.... so in that case it appears God did not like Neanderthals

it might be easier without the labels.

Picture yourself as God......yes you can.....

Placing spirit into physical form has intent and purpose.
a unique soul will develop.

at the onset the plan was simple......
Go forth, be fruitful and multiply.
Dominate all things.

We did.

Including each other.

Seems the basic 'download' had a virus.
ME first.

So....an intentional manipulation.....a 'reboot'
See Chapter Two of Genesis.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Faith needs no proving.....see Webster's

Faith does not...You're right.

Claims based on faith, however, do have some requirement of substantiation if you wish to have any sort intelligently honest conversation.

EDIT: for pucntuation

 

[Wu Wei]

it might be easier without the labels.

Picture yourself as God......yes you can.....

Placing spirit into physical form has intent and purpose.
a unique soul will develop.

at the onset the plan was simple......
Go forth, be fruitful and multiply.
Dominate all things.

We did.

Including each other.

Seems the basic 'download' had a virus.
ME first.

So....an intentional manipulation.....a 'reboot'
See Chapter Two of Genesis.

A simple yes or no would have sufficed and actually been a much better answer...but alas...I have no doubt that even if I could somehow remove the "labels" ,although I do not see how as we are talking history and those labels are necessary for understanding the question, that I would get the same exact uninformative response....making this a circular discussion ....and I have to tell you the repeated non-answer is getting tiresome, which was likely what you were hoping for to begin with...... so without further adieu... your repeated non-answer has won the day.....and this topic is not all that important to me to make me wish to continue the debate...but I promise no such withdrawal in a discussion I find important, should one arise.....have a nice day

 

[outhouse]

Faith needs no proving.....

Faith is not a tool in a debate. Remove yourself to same faith section if you do not want to debate.

If you do not provide credible sources, you will be reported for proselytizing which is not accepted here.

Debating faith is only proselytizing

 

[outhouse]

if you with to have an intelligently honest conversation.

That's the problem, he is not debating and only proselytizing at this point, against rules here

 

[outhouse]

it might be easier without the labels.

Picture yourself as God......yes you can.....

Placing spirit into physical form has intent and purpose.
a unique soul will develop.

at the onset the plan was simple......
Go forth, be fruitful and multiply.
Dominate all things.

We did.

Including each other.

Seems the basic 'download' had a virus.
ME first.

So....an intentional manipulation.....a 'reboot'
See Chapter Two of Genesis.

Proselytizing rhetoric

Not one bit has anything to with a young earth.