God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[BilliardsBall]

That seems like it goes against all evidence and dating methods we have discovered over the past 200 years. Can you back up the claim in bold? I ask because I have looked and I haven't seen anything, but I'd like to check them out. Not that peer reviewed articles magically grant a hypothesis legitimacy, as there are no authorities in science. But it sounds interesting. Thanks.

How is it that I can find lists of 60 up to 200 scientific anomalies online but you cannot? For example, even Carl Sagan noted the "faint Sun paradox" decades ago, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faint_young_Sun_paradox, and I've seen some lovely, in-depth articles showing how the Sun could be thousands, let alone billions of years old.

Thank you!

 

[leibowde84]

How is it that I can find lists of 60 up to 200 scientific anomalies online but you cannot? For example, even Carl Sagan noted the "faint Sun paradox" decades ago, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faint_young_Sun_paradox, and I've seen some lovely, in-depth articles showing how the Sun could be thousands, let alone billions of years old.

Thank you!

Not sure what "lists of 60 to 200 scientific anomalies" or "paradoxes" have to do with our discussion here, as these were not in question.

You stated the following:

Hypothesis: "The solar system is less than 100,000 years old." A number of experiments and peer-reviewed works call this question to the table.

I am unable to find any "experiments" with "peer-reviewed works" that call this into question. Can you provide some links here.

 

[Parsimony]

How is it that I can find lists of 60 up to 200 scientific anomalies online but you cannot? For example, even Carl Sagan noted the "faint Sun paradox" decades ago, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faint_young_Sun_paradox, and I've seen some lovely, in-depth articles showing how the Sun could be thousands, let alone billions of years old.

Thank you!

I'm guessing you didn't read the entirety of that Wiki article, as it provides possible solutions to the paradox.

 

[viole]

1. A tremendous number of Jews believed in the Messiah when He first came--including the NT authors.

2. Both testaments describe Jewish disbelief as causing diaspora and suffering. It's yet another prophecy supporting the first. If all Jews believed as I do, and THEN they were in diaspora as being both a wonder and a curse in the countries to where they were driven--unendingly for millennia--the first prophecy would be broken.

I of course, noted, however, how rather than deal with the truth of the prophecy--Jews in 100 nations have been a wonder and a derision just as prophesied, you shifted the goal posts to talk about what you think is a different, unfulfilled prophecy. Even a cursory reading, of say, Deuteronomy 29-32, will show you dozens of verses that will make you say, "Whoa! God predicted the Jewish people would distrust Jesus, go into a LENGTHY diaspora, experience certain significant persecutions, and return to Israel in the end of days..." Wow!

Returned to Israel, and still not believing in Jesus. Which means all those disporas, discrimination, genocide, holocaust, etc. were totally useless as evidence of a prophecy, to start with. Still, those Jews did not recognize that as a fulfillment of any prophecy. If they did, then they would have started worshipping Jesus. But they didn't. And I believe they are as qualified, if not more, as you when it comes to the OT. They wrote it, after all.

And, if in not believing in Jesus, as you claim, is the cause of their diaspora, then the fact they have a nation now, while still not believing in Jesus, provides evidence that either God does not keep His promises or He simply gave up. Spiritual clock ticking, probably

So, God could have prevented all that evil on His beloved people, reaching thereby exactly the same end result, and knowing it. Wow!

Ciao

- viole

 

[Parsimony]

Some more developments about the "Faint Young Sun Paradox" from 2013: Mystery of the 'faint young Sun paradox' may be solved

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

what strange conclusions they reach, and clearly have no clue what we believe
re Yeshua ..... he did not reach the criteria of anointed or messiach,

like bar Kochbah after him

 

[BilliardsBall]

Not sure what "lists of 60 to 200 scientific anomalies" or "paradoxes" have to do with our discussion here, as these were not in question.

You stated the following:
I am unable to find any "experiments" with "peer-reviewed works" that call this into question. Can you provide some links here.

I brought them to question. There are many, many indications in the data that the solar system is young.

Why do you want links here? Are you wholly unaware that most astronomers and astrophysicists date our Sun to billions of years old? It's simple--let's not overcomplicate it. There is evidence for a young solar system and Earth. There is evidence for an old solar system and Earth--we need as individuals to decide.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I'm guessing you didn't read the entirety of that Wiki article, as it provides possible solutions to the paradox.

Of course it did. My point was even Mr. Sagan admitted the holes in his worldview. And your "parsimony" disallows Christians to find possible solutions to current scientific paradoxes but only secular "solutions". Put another way, I notice that every time I bring up Christian conjecture regarding science data they are wrong but secular/liberal scientific views are always "right".

You have blinders on since you see possible solutions as actual solutions. Dig deeper!

 

[BilliardsBall]

Returned to Israel, and still not believing in Jesus. Which means all those disporas, discrimination, genocide, holocaust, etc. were totally useless as evidence of a prophecy, to start with. Still, those Jews did not recognize that as a fulfillment of any prophecy. If they did, then they would have started worshipping Jesus. But they didn't. And I believe they are as qualified, if not more, as you when it comes to the OT. They wrote it, after all.

And, if in not believing in Jesus, as you claim, is the cause of their diaspora, then the fact they have a nation now, while still not believing in Jesus, provides evidence that either God does not keep His promises or He simply gave up. Spiritual clock ticking, probably

So, God could have prevented all that evil on His beloved people, reaching thereby exactly the same end result, and knowing it. Wow!

Ciao

- viole

Are you unaware of Bible prophecies indicating that the Jews would return in apostasy and after Armageddon and related events, believe? See the last chapters of Zechariah, for example.

 

[BilliardsBall]

what strange conclusions they reach, and clearly have no clue what we believe
re Yeshua ..... he did not reach the criteria of anointed or messiach,

like bar Kochbah after him

You'd best find Messiah then, since I happened to be reading Malachi this week and notices Messiah expectation would be fulfilled at the Second [now gone] Temple!

 

[viole]

Are you unaware of Bible prophecies indicating that the Jews would return in apostasy and after Armageddon and related events, believe? See the last chapters of Zechariah, for example.

Do yoy think the Jews believe that prophecy came true, for what concerns their return?

Ciao

- viole

 

[metis]

You'd best find Messiah then, since I happened to be reading Malachi this week and notices Messiah expectation would be fulfilled at the Second [now gone] Temple!

Chapter and verse, please.

 

[Parsimony]

Of course it did. My point was even Mr. Sagan admitted the holes in his worldview. And your "parsimony" disallows Christians to find possible solutions to current scientific paradoxes but only secular "solutions". Put another way, I notice that every time I bring up Christian conjecture regarding science data they are wrong but secular/liberal scientific views are always "right".

Except that what you are talking about is not "Christianity vs. secularism", it is "young Solar System vs. old Solar System". Very big difference, as plenty of Christians accept an old Solar System.

You have blinders on since you see possible solutions as actual solutions. Dig deeper!

Quote where I said that possible solutions are equivalent to actual solutions. I know that they are not. I never espoused any one of those listed possible solutions as being the one scientifically-verified answer. What they do represent is a blow against any claim that there is no way with known science to explain the apparent paradox. Heck, we know today that even Saturn's moon Enceladus has an ocean of liquid water under its icy crust, despite receiving only about 1% as much sunlight as the Earth currently does.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Do yoy think the Jews believe that prophecy came true, for what concerns their return?

Ciao

- viole

1. I'm Jewish, and I believe the same.
2. Many non-Messianic Jews believe the same.
3. Are you Jewish? Because it hurts extra if you're not for you to make those kinds of sweeping generalizations. Such things were used as anti-Semitic tools by the [not going to Godwin here].
4. Please stop.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Chapter and verse, please.

Do you not know the prophecies like, "The One whom you seek will come suddenly to [this] place, the desire of all nations..." and "Kings and Queens will desire to hear your words..."?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Except that what you are talking about is not "Christianity vs. secularism", it is "young Solar System vs. old Solar System". Very big difference, as plenty of Christians accept an old Solar System.

Quote where I said that possible solutions are equivalent to actual solutions. I know that they are not. I never espoused any one of those listed possible solutions as being the one scientifically-verified answer. What they do represent is a blow against any claim that there is no way with known science to explain the apparent paradox. Heck, we know today that even Saturn's moon Enceladus has an ocean of liquid water under its icy crust, despite receiving only about 1% as much sunlight as the Earth currently does.

Huh? I'm accusing you of NOT accepting that a possible solution MAY be an actual solution.

 

[Parsimony]

Huh? I'm accusing you of NOT accepting that a possible solution MAY be an actual solution.

Um, elaborate? That seems to go against what you were saying earlier. The solutions I listed for the faint young Sun paradox are possible solutions and may also be the actual solution. We just don't know for sure yet.

 

[viole]

1. I'm Jewish, and I believe the same.
2. Many non-Messianic Jews believe the same.
3. Are you Jewish? Because it hurts extra if you're not for you to make those kinds of sweeping generalizations. Such things were used as anti-Semitic tools by the [not going to Godwin here].
4. Please stop.

Don't be silly. That has nothing to do with antisemitism. And if you have a problem with antisemitism, as I expect, you should first address your Christian fellows. Starting with Martin Luther.

On the contrary, I think they are smart to not believe that. I.e. To be currently in apostasy for not buying Jesus as Messiah.

Ciao

- viole

 

[metis]

Do you not know the prophecies like, "The One whom you seek will come suddenly to [this] place, the desire of all nations..." and "Kings and Queens will desire to hear your words..."?

Again, chapter and verse on your post #1812, please. Secondly, please provide evidence that this supposed reference deals with the messiah and not someone else.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Um, elaborate? That seems to go against what you were saying earlier. The solutions I listed for the faint young Sun paradox are possible solutions and may also be the actual solution. We just don't know for sure yet.

Back to my original post--when apologists say, "This isn't a Bible contradiction because logically speaking, it could have occurred in X manner, breaking the contradiction hypothesis," skeptics freak out and get annoyed. Now I've remarked that even Sagan had an issue with a young Sun--and even though it's NOT like Sagan thought "Hey, the Sun is 6,000 or 8,000 years old," the skeptics get in line to say their MIGHT be SOME plausible explanations for the issues Sagan was having.

How convenient. Not!