God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[BilliardsBall]

Don't be silly. That has nothing to do with antisemitism. And if you have a problem with antisemitism, as I expect, you should first address your Christian fellows. Starting with Martin Luther.

On the contrary, I think they are smart to not believe that. I.e. To be currently in apostasy for not buying Jesus as Messiah.

Ciao

- viole

I noticed I reproved your comment that ALL Jews didn't believe so you've goalpost shifted to "look at this terrible Christian leader's position".

So you've shifted from anti-Semitism to demonizing a Christian leader, Bible translator and influencer. I'm starting to think all skeptics are bitter, vile. I hope you will change your tone and tactics soon, because as far as I can tell, you are a non-religious person who comes to a religious forum to mock religionists. Would you be better served at The Thinking Atheist forum instead?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Again, chapter and verse on your post #1812, please. Secondly, please provide evidence that this supposed reference deals with the messiah and not someone else.

Well, you've hit a nail on the head here, if inadvertently. "BB, first prove to me this is a Messianic prophecy, but if you do, it's probably a prophecy about someone else."

Be careful, because this person is the desire of ALL nations (peoples, tribes, tongues) and from ancient days, leaders and the wise have wanted to hear His gracious wisdom. Who is that if not Mashiach?

 

[BilliardsBall]

PS. You all should just let me have the last word here, because we are far afield now from the OP.

It would help in the future if you would stick to the topic without making little anti-Bible, anti-Christian, anti-whatever assertions. You'd be better served sticking to facts and data regarding the Earth.

 

[metis]

Well, you've hit a nail on the head here, if inadvertently. "BB, first prove to me this is a Messianic prophecy, but if you do, it's probably a prophecy about someone else."

Be careful, because this person is the desire of ALL nations (peoples, tribes, tongues) and from ancient days, leaders and the wise have wanted to hear His gracious wisdom. Who is that if not Mashiach?

I asked you a simply question and all you have done is to song-and-dance without answering it. So, I'm just wasting time here with you, therefore...

moving on.

 

[metis]

PS. You all should just let me have the last word here, because we are far afield now from the OP.

It would help in the future if you would stick to the topic without making little anti-Bible, anti-Christian, anti-whatever assertions. You'd be better served sticking to facts and data regarding the Earth.

The above is a terribly dishonest statement as I am in no way "anti-Bible, anti-Christian...". I have taught and continue to teach theology, plus my wife and my youngest daughter and her family are Christians, and I go to church regularly with my wife. Your comment above is blatantly immoral, judgmental, and dishonest, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[viole]

I noticed I reproved your comment that ALL Jews didn't believe so you've goalpost shifted to "look at this terrible Christian leader's position".

So you've shifted from anti-Semitism to demonizing a Christian leader, Bible translator and influencer. I'm starting to think all skeptics are bitter, vile. I hope you will change your tone and tactics soon, because as far as I can tell, you are a non-religious person who comes to a religious forum to mock religionists. Would you be better served at The Thinking Atheist forum instead?

This is what your Bible translator and Christian influencer said about the Jews in his booklet "on the Jews and their lies":

"In the treatise, he argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer booksdestroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[2] afforded no legal protection,[3] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[4] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".[5]"

As a Jew, how does it feel to be rated like that by your Christian leader? Who is really bitter, antisemite and vile here, in your opinion? The atheist, or the Christian leader?

Ciao

- viole

 

[BilliardsBall]

The above is a terribly dishonest statement as I am in no way "anti-Bible, anti-Christian...". I have taught and continue to teach theology, plus my wife and my youngest daughter and her family are Christians, and I go to church regularly with my wife. Your comment above is blatantly immoral, judgmental, and dishonest, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

All means "all" in general. Please don't feel singled out.

However, I'm confused. You teach theology and your wife and family are Christians or you teach theology but your wife and family are Christians? As the holder of a Bachelor's of Religion from a secular university, I must say if I had a nickel for every zealous, bitter liberal theologian whose wife or husband dragged him or her to church on Easter or Christmas, but was equally zealous to crush as many people's faith as he or she could... but again, please don't feel singled out. I have a bit of an axe to grind against anyone who comes to a religious forum not only to debate but to pick holes in another's religion.

PS. I'm sorry if you feel ashamed of me, I'm unashamed of the good news for it is the power of God for salvation to all who trust (or at least I'm trying to act unashamedly, as I'm sure you are as well).

PPS. We are still far afield from the OP.

 

[BilliardsBall]

This is what your Bible translator and Christian influencer said about the Jews in his booklet "on the Jews and their lies":

"In the treatise, he argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer booksdestroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[2] afforded no legal protection,[3] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[4] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".[5]"

As a Jew, how does it feel to be rated like that by your Christian leader? Who is really bitter, antisemite and vile here, in your opinion? The atheist, or the Christian leader?

Ciao

- viole

Here who is vile and bitter? Not Luther, he's both deceased and not here.

PS. I know you won't believe me, but I've had Luther's (supposed) remarks on this thrown in my face before, oh, once or twice in the past few decades.

But again, you are continuing to goal post shift. Again, you made a comment about ALL Jews. I'm a Jew, and I'm in a different subset.

 

[Parsimony]

Back to my original post--when apologists say, "This isn't a Bible contradiction because logically speaking, it could have occurred in X manner, breaking the contradiction hypothesis," skeptics freak out and get annoyed.

How is this relevant to the scientific evidence for the age of the Solar System?

Now I've remarked that even Sagan had an issue with a young Sun--and even though it's NOT like Sagan thought "Hey, the Sun is 6,000 or 8,000 years old," the skeptics get in line to say their MIGHT be SOME plausible explanations for the issues Sagan was having.

How convenient. Not!

So you are saying that there are no plausible explanations for the dim young Sun paradox and never will be? Of the mentioned solutions to the paradox, why do you think they are inadequate? When the huge bulk of evidence leads to one conclusion and then you have a few instances that the conclusion is, at the time, unable to account for, Occam's Razor suggests that it is more likely that the conclusion is correct and that solutions to the anomalies exist rather than the conclusion being wrong (because that would make all other lines of evidence supporting the conclusion become anomalies themselves. The simpler model with the fewer anomalies is the better one).

 

[metis]

You teach theology and your wife and family are Christians or you teach theology but your wife and family are Christians?

I am Jewish, belong to a synagogue, taught theology to adults for 14 years and a comparative religions course for two additional years, but I am now retired. I still teach occasional seminars, plus I co-teach our monthly Lunch & Learn program with my rabbi. My wife is a Christian and is active in her church whereas I attend with her on most Sundays, and I have taught there as well dealing with Passover. Our youngest daughter and her family are Christian, our oldest daughter and her family belong to my synagogue, and our son is secular but his wife is Pentecostal. We attend each others events, and we never argue religion.

 

[viole]

Here who is vile and bitter? Not Luther, he's both deceased and not here.

PS. I know you won't believe me, but I've had Luther's (supposed) remarks on this thrown in my face before, oh, once or twice in the past few decades.

But again, you are continuing to goal post shift. Again, you made a comment about ALL Jews. I'm a Jew, and I'm in a different subset.

Are you defending your obviously antisemitic and criminal Christian leader?

So, let me rephrase.

Was Luther not bitter and vile? You called him an influencer. Who do you think he really influenced?

Do you think he was a role model for Christians?

Ciao

- viole

 

[outhouse]

It would help in the future if you would stick to the topic without making little anti-Bible, anti-Christian, anti-whatever assertions. You'd be better served sticking to facts and data regarding the Earth.

You do not follow the mainstream view nor represent the bible or Christianity with your anti academic opinion

 

[outhouse]

I am Jewish

Not what you claimed a month or two ago in a debate, but carry on

 

[outhouse]

The above is a terribly dishonest statement

I agree with you whole hearted.

 

[outhouse]

You'd be better served sticking to facts and data regarding the Earth.

When will you START!

 

[metis]

Not what you claimed a month or two ago in a debate, but carry on

I don't know what you are talking about as I have never claimed otherwise.

 

[outhouse]

I don't know what you are talking about as I have never claimed otherwise.

I have a good memory and I'm not making it up.

I do remember talking about how much we do know about the cultural anthropology in the ethnogenesis of the Israelite cultures, and you talked about how little we know.

I claimed your opinion was due to your Jewish religious bias, and you claimed you were not Jewish. Maybe your wife was posting under your name?

 

[BilliardsBall]

How is this relevant to the scientific evidence for the age of the Solar System?

So you are saying that there are no plausible explanations for the dim young Sun paradox and never will be? Of the mentioned solutions to the paradox, why do you think they are inadequate? When the huge bulk of evidence leads to one conclusion and then you have a few instances that the conclusion is, at the time, unable to account for, Occam's Razor suggests that it is more likely that the conclusion is correct and that solutions to the anomalies exist rather than the conclusion being wrong (because that would make all other lines of evidence supporting the conclusion become anomalies themselves. The simpler model with the fewer anomalies is the better one).

Interesting, Occam's Razor was developed by a Franciscan monk.

The huge bulk of the evidence does not lead to the conclusion. I don't know if I want to get into it. How long have we watched "billion-year stars" birth and die? Billions of years? Of course not. It's like watching Abraham Lincoln blink one time and then writing a biography of him based on our "intense empirical observation". Hopefully I can find the articles on a young sun and post them--although I may not look too hard because I recognize the objections are partly scientific, partly pride, partly spiritual in nature on your end.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I am Jewish, belong to a synagogue, taught theology to adults for 14 years and a comparative religions course for two additional years, but I am now retired. I still teach occasional seminars, plus I co-teach our monthly Lunch & Learn program with my rabbi. My wife is a Christian and is active in her church whereas I attend with her on most Sundays, and I have taught there as well dealing with Passover. Our youngest daughter and her family are Christian, our oldest daughter and her family belong to my synagogue, and our son is secular but his wife is Pentecostal. We attend each others events, and we never argue religion.

No, you could not argue religion effectively. Correct. I'm Jewish so I can say this, I hope without you getting offended. It would be hard for dad to tell the kids, "Jesus is a fraud or a sorcerer or fictitious" and for mom to tell the kids, "Jesus is Lord!" But perhaps you should discuss the facts presented by the opposing camps without arguing. Can you do so? Do you do so?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Are you defending your obviously antisemitic and criminal Christian leader?

So, let me rephrase.

Was Luther not bitter and vile? You called him an influencer. Who do you think he really influenced?

Do you think he was a role model for Christians?

Ciao

- viole

Am I a Lutheran? Is he my "leader"? Is every atheist speaker your leader?

If you are unaware of Luther's influence on Protestantism, the Roman "Church", the German language and the English language, please read his Wikipedia biography. Stalin was an influential atheist, but I wouldn't say he was your leader.

PS. What does your hatred for Luther have to do with the age of the Earth...?

PPS. Did you catch my point about coming to a religious forum to mock religionists? I've not yet seen you ask me a real question (or any other religious persons) only rhetorical questions and rhetoric.